Reese has said he wants to select the best player available, but at #3, that is most certainly gonna D'Brickshaw Ferguson. If it wasn't for Reggie Bush and the prominence of Young, Ferguson could have #1 overall.
There is no clear #1 @ QB with both having their different upsides. Young having the athletisism but will it translate to the NFL? Leinart with the arm strength but he has something you can't teach in his presence.
D'Brickshaw is a beast. He's the best player available at #3. But how do you interpret "best player available"
The best RB (NFL: Shaun Alexander) is DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White.
The best "athlete" at RB (NFL:LT) is Reggie Bush
So which is the better RB? Personally I think you've gotta look RB and not the athlete.
Best QB: Leinart
Best "athlete" at QB: Young
Are we drafting players or athletes?
Edit: I think you have to take points off of Leinart because he's Left-Handed. You may ask why but left-handed makes his blindside the RT, not left. "Dominating" Tackles come in the form of left side, not right.
There is no clear #1 @ QB with both having their different upsides. Young having the athletisism but will it translate to the NFL? Leinart with the arm strength but he has something you can't teach in his presence.
D'Brickshaw is a beast. He's the best player available at #3. But how do you interpret "best player available"
The best RB (NFL: Shaun Alexander) is DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White.
The best "athlete" at RB (NFL:LT) is Reggie Bush
So which is the better RB? Personally I think you've gotta look RB and not the athlete.
Best QB: Leinart
Best "athlete" at QB: Young
Are we drafting players or athletes?
Edit: I think you have to take points off of Leinart because he's Left-Handed. You may ask why but left-handed makes his blindside the RT, not left. "Dominating" Tackles come in the form of left side, not right.
As much as I like the thought of having the Brick, I think that Vince Young is a very special player and that he is the 3rd best pick in the entire draft. I also think that the Titans will select him at #3. They better. :grrr::hot:
I don't really think I would be disappointed with any of the top 5 or 6 prospects.
I would. Its time to address the quarter back situation seeing that we are in full rebuilding mode now. It really doesnt make sense to have McNair (when he actually does practice) to develop a strong chemistry with the young receiving core we have now just for him to retire in 2 years. Its time to bring in the new blood. We suck right now and if we are in rebuilding mode we should be serious and address key situation.
The need for a dominant linebacker can be filled in the second and third rounds (the pick we'll get for billy) since there is considerable depth at that position. We do need help at S. Has anyone considered the possiblity of drafting Jason Allen of UT. He would have went in the first last year but decided to say and got hurt. He is definantly a second round early 3rd.
The need for a dominant linebacker can be filled in the second and third rounds (the pick we'll get for billy) since there is considerable depth at that position. We do need help at S. Has anyone considered the possiblity of drafting Jason Allen of UT. He would have went in the first last year but decided to say and got hurt. He is definantly a second round early 3rd.
I'll be interested to hear reports on Allen's workouts and see where he is in hip movement. Hip injuries can be really difficult to overcome, but I heard his was not as serious as what happened to Bo Jackson or even Deon Grant.
Da Architek said:
it seems my new favorite phrase of the week is "Ya know, if we were contending this year then without a doubt keep him"
but i don't think we're going to "contend" AND EVEN IF we were- I don't see us pushing deep with this group (not this year anyway :wink2
it is IMPERATIVE that we draft a CAPABLE QB in the 1st round (wherever that may be) - regardless if McNair stays and unquestionably if he does not
Linebacker is a thick position draftwise this year .....
....no need to blast away at one too early
and unless we're talking about Chad Greenway 1st day, i say wait till the second (day)
I think a safety comes Day 1 ..... just a guess
and welcome on board ..... way to come at it straight
If Houston is "smart" they take Ferguson. there's absolutely no point in having both a #1 overall pick tied up in a QB and a RB if the line doesn't protect or open lanes.thnom said:
Reggie Bush will fair no better in Houston as Domanick Davis does. Vince Young would continue to do ALOT of scrambling .... because he'll have to
yeah it's kinda like a 1a and a 2b. I couldn't call Young the 1 or 2 - wouldn't think of Leinart as the 1, or even the 2 (but I like him as the 2b)
Matt's best shot at success early would be with us
Vince might take some growing
bot are High Risk / High Reward
well, i think we proved he was the "safe" pick http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=229
I'm not quite sold on this. I don't think he'll transition well
Best athlete in the entire draft . period.
hopefully both
and I can tell you if it's Young there at 3, my card would be on the podium as soon as NO made their pick
Jason Allen looked great, if his rehab is going on schedule, and if only we had our third round pick back, I would LOVE to see him last to round 3. Two would be reaching at our spot because of the injury imo, but I don't think there's any way he'd last until 4.
"Best player available" really means "highest ranked player on our draft board."
And considering our LT of the future (Roos) played at RT last year, I dont think drafting a lefty would be a problem
And considering our LT of the future (Roos) played at RT last year, I dont think drafting a lefty would be a problem
My philosophy is taking the BPA is something you should always do and if there ever is a place to deviate from that strategy it would be early in the first round as opposed to later rounds. We had arguments on this board and I got hammered by posters who kept saying Reese says he wants the BPA at #6. Who did we take? We took a player who filled our greatest needs (CB and RT). The idea is simple, early in the first round there is a bunch of talented players and unless a guy like Bush (and possibly Young or Leinart) are there you grab the guy who will help the team the most. At #3 it is a little different than being at #6 because we have players that are one in a blue moon opportunities but what if we didn't have Roos. Ferguson might all of a sudden be the BPA? What if McNair wasn't retiring soon? We wouldn't look for a QB would we? The bottom line is we have our choice of possibly the next Ray Ray in Hawk, the next Walter Jones in Brick, the next Peppers in Mario Williams, the next Faulk in DeAngelo Williams, the next Eddie in LenDale White as well as the next McNair in Young. Don't be fooled by the talk we are just looking at BPA. Heck, Reese might want Williams as bad as Young but certainly would like a few extra picks to move down and get him so he can maximize value. Same deal with Cutler.
Where we get in more trouble is trying to look too much at need in the later parts of the draft where IMO it is more imperative we look for BPA. For example we sold out to need when we drafted LaBoy (early 2nd), Odom (late 2nd) and Bo Schobel (early 4th). Maybe we should have drafted Julius Jones or pro bowl safety Bob Sanders instead of LaBoy. How would Nathan Vasher looked compared to Schobel? In other words this selling out of drafting three DEs (because of need) caused us to miss out on two pro-bowl DBs or a RB that could have kept us from having to waste a 3rd on Henry. Imagine our defense with Vasher and Sanders. We wouldn't have needed to spend our #6 a year later on Pacman if we didn't want to and we could have instead drafted Demarcus Ware or Shawn Merriman. How would teh defense look then? Heck in 2003 we traded up in the 5th to get the great Donnie Nickey at 154. New England drafted center Dan Koppen at 164which would have solved our center problem. Hunter Hillenmeyer and Kato June were also drafted after Nickey as well.
Where we get in more trouble is trying to look too much at need in the later parts of the draft where IMO it is more imperative we look for BPA. For example we sold out to need when we drafted LaBoy (early 2nd), Odom (late 2nd) and Bo Schobel (early 4th). Maybe we should have drafted Julius Jones or pro bowl safety Bob Sanders instead of LaBoy. How would Nathan Vasher looked compared to Schobel? In other words this selling out of drafting three DEs (because of need) caused us to miss out on two pro-bowl DBs or a RB that could have kept us from having to waste a 3rd on Henry. Imagine our defense with Vasher and Sanders. We wouldn't have needed to spend our #6 a year later on Pacman if we didn't want to and we could have instead drafted Demarcus Ware or Shawn Merriman. How would teh defense look then? Heck in 2003 we traded up in the 5th to get the great Donnie Nickey at 154. New England drafted center Dan Koppen at 164which would have solved our center problem. Hunter Hillenmeyer and Kato June were also drafted after Nickey as well.
But Reese will tell you he was the best player on the board at the time AND fulfilled a need. Who would have been the better choice? And you can bet if Edwards or Brown would have still been on the board, he'd taken them.Soxcat said:
Explain. By "helping the team the most" are you meaning immediate or the next six-10 years? In the case of Pacman, it was hopefully both.
There are certainly things which must play into Reese's grading system. One is position. If it is a skill position, it ranks higher. The greatest kicker to ever grace the stage at MSG will never be taken in the top 10.
Obviously, no team is going to sign a player to a long-term contract then turn around and use a top five pick on another player at the same position.
Maybe that is over-simplified somewhat but that IS what it boils down to.
It depends on how many needs you have. And the ability of the Titans to fill holes with free agency money. I can't imagine Reese taking a WR in the second round if one was to slide to us with so many other needs on the team.
So Mario Williams is going to be a bad pick? How about Hawk? How about D. Williams or Brick? Buy into Reese's BPA BS but he doesn't have a crystal ball any more than you and I have. Again, if you try to fill needs in the later part of the draft you miss out on the better players and draft Nickey and Gardner. It takes more than one draft to build a team. Take the best players you can when you can. Bob Sanders would look pretty nice right now in a Titans uni.
Did I ever say that? Of course not. But why would Reese pass on whoever his information says is the best player in a higher-skilled position?Soxcat said:
Are you assuming Reese knew Bob Sanders would be as good as he is? Yes, you take the best players when you can. But you certainly take them in the first round, regardless of position, much more than you do afterward when you must fill some holes.
Soxcat said:
Julius Jones are you kidding?
The kid who's more injury prone than Chris Brown, as well as terrible. He's vastly overrated and notihngm ore than an okay back.
I know this is a little late, but the last game of the season I think, some hillbilly called in to the radio show and said he knew we had the "Safety of the future" in Donnie Nickey. I don't know what this guy was smoking. That is all.
How much do you think our cap situation has played into Reese's obvious need picks throughout the recent drafts? I think it has played a pretty major role because he knows that he doesn't have the cap space to go get a vet at a position of need if it doesn't get filled in the draft.
Personally I have a hard time rating guys in a specific 1-32 order, but get a general feel for their draft value like mid-1st, late 1st early 2nd...
Personally I have a hard time rating guys in a specific 1-32 order, but get a general feel for their draft value like mid-1st, late 1st early 2nd...
nickmsmith said:
maybe he was Nickey'sUncle :ha:
(no offense WU) :winker:
This brings up an interesting question. As usual, I'm too lazy to look up all the past drafts, but haven't we had several drafts over the last few years where it appeared we were going much more on need rather than BPA?
Maybe it's just the way things shook out, but we've had several drafts where it appears we just loaded up on one position to see who would stick. Last year it was wide receiver. I also remember a recent draft where we picked a lot of defensive ends, and wasn't there one year we drafted a bunch of linebackers (both Rockys maybe)?
I suppose it's possible that the BPA happened to be a wide receiver three picks in a row (or whatever it was), but not likely.
Maybe it's just the way things shook out, but we've had several drafts where it appears we just loaded up on one position to see who would stick. Last year it was wide receiver. I also remember a recent draft where we picked a lot of defensive ends, and wasn't there one year we drafted a bunch of linebackers (both Rockys maybe)?
I suppose it's possible that the BPA happened to be a wide receiver three picks in a row (or whatever it was), but not likely.
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