Just because kids see them as a role model doesn't truly make them one.
I went with my class as a teenager down to the local prison to have a few of the inmates speak to us about staying on the good side of the law. They weren't role models any more than Pacman is...
I went with my class as a teenager down to the local prison to have a few of the inmates speak to us about staying on the good side of the law. They weren't role models any more than Pacman is...
Explain this one to me because I ain't buyin'. If a kid sees him as a role model. He's a role model to that kid.Starkiller said:
Why not bring up Bob the Bagboy in front of the kids then to talk about living drug-free?
It's because athletes, entertainers, etc. are admired. They command attention. They are paid millions to endorse products for a reason.
Not sure what that means.Starkiller said:
If kids see them as a role model, seems like that makes them role models.
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Perception vs reality. Yes, some people perceive celebrities as role models. That doesn't mean they really are role models.
Just because I think my toaster oven is God and I start praying to it, that doesn't really make it God...
Just because I think my toaster oven is God and I start praying to it, that doesn't really make it God...
Statement by Pacman, reported on May 9, 2006: <blockquote>"I really don't give a (expletive) about what a lot of people say and that is really what my attitude is right now. I am just trying to be a role model for the people that love me. I can't worry about what the media and other people are saying because if I do that I definitely won't be mentally strong."</blockquote> http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060509/SPORTS01/605090366
:lol:Starkiller said:
Beauty can be in the eye of the beholder yet who their role models are can't be?
I think we are debating a fine line here. If people perceive a celeb being a role model then, to that person, they are a role model.
I once had a great four slicer I was more fond of than I should have been. I haven't found one which could brown bagals as evenly since.
If you look at someone as a role model, then they are your role model. They are the model you use to shape the role you want to play in life.
I don't see any gray area there. It has nothing to do with believing a toaster is anything else.
You make someone your role model by watching them and what they stand for, and then living your life by that model.
I don't see any gray area there. It has nothing to do with believing a toaster is anything else.
You make someone your role model by watching them and what they stand for, and then living your life by that model.
OK then, for the sake of avoiding an argument on wording, can we at least agree that entertainers should not be considered role models?
BTW, I loved that Toaster. Don't blaspheme the Toaster.. :ha:
BTW, I loved that Toaster. Don't blaspheme the Toaster.. :ha:
That's fine, but who has been living their life like the model that Pacman Jones has set out?Hoffa said:
I think there's confusion here between being a fan of a player and considering them your role model...
You and your false prophets...Gunny said:
We all know the true prophet is DeRon Jenkins...
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060524/SPORTS01/60524009/1027
is it me or does kuharsky pick a different player each week and blast them....
lol this guy kills me with some of the stuff he writes...
oh well though, no worries
is it me or does kuharsky pick a different player each week and blast them....
lol this guy kills me with some of the stuff he writes...
oh well though, no worries
Without a doubt. But that ain't the way it works.Starkiller said:
BIPOLAR is my role model :thumb:
Better be on your best behaviour now, BP :lol:
Better be on your best behaviour now, BP :lol:
IMO, fans make a mistake when they invest themselves personally, emotionally in professional ATHLETES or ENTERTAINERS. They have achieved a level of "greatness" as a skilled athlete, singer, actor, etc and HAVE NOT achieved "greatness" as a professional MORAL or ETHICAL icon.
Personally, I do not hold any professional ATHLETE or ENTERTAINER to any obligation to be anything other than what they achieved their "greatness" in. I don't pay them to be a "solid citizen", I pay them to perform what they have been trained in. IMO, it's not right for ME (and fans collectively) to judge or malign them because the ATHLETE/ENTERTAINER'S personal code of behavior doesn't jibe with what I feel is correct. I strongly feel it is presumptous to "judge" them for this reason.
Just because they are successful in a skill that promotes them into the limelight DOES NOT obligate them to behave personally to match the standards. Heck, you can't please everybody anyway. If someone is dissatisfied with the ATHLETE/ENTERTAINER'S personal behavior they should stop supporting them with jersey/ticket etc. sales and they will fade out of the spotlight.
FIGHT ON PAC MAN!
Personally, I do not hold any professional ATHLETE or ENTERTAINER to any obligation to be anything other than what they achieved their "greatness" in. I don't pay them to be a "solid citizen", I pay them to perform what they have been trained in. IMO, it's not right for ME (and fans collectively) to judge or malign them because the ATHLETE/ENTERTAINER'S personal code of behavior doesn't jibe with what I feel is correct. I strongly feel it is presumptous to "judge" them for this reason.
Just because they are successful in a skill that promotes them into the limelight DOES NOT obligate them to behave personally to match the standards. Heck, you can't please everybody anyway. If someone is dissatisfied with the ATHLETE/ENTERTAINER'S personal behavior they should stop supporting them with jersey/ticket etc. sales and they will fade out of the spotlight.
FIGHT ON PAC MAN!
I fully agree. But that isn't very realistic when a player is a key part of the team you are invested in. I don't know how fun it would be to be a fan of any team without wanting to connect with the players on that team.Riverman said:
Yet they do have influence over many; especially kids. These guys don't have the maturity yet and are influenced by a number of different things.
But what about when you were 10? You don't point to an athlete and say "he's my role model" but you find you listen to just about anything the athlete says or does. If you didn't do that as a child, then you are among the minority.
I don't think it's even worth debating. Professional athletes influence most kids. With that comes an obligation, IMO.
I won't judge an athlete if he doesn't place himself in a situation where he clearly wants to be "a voice", influence, role model, etc. I chalk 99% of Pacman's issues to being a rich young man who has some growing up to do mentally. But once he takes that step to becoming a role model, then that carries with it responsibilities. And those include his actions even when he isn't wearing the "role model" hat.
It does when they reach out to become a role model as Pacman obviously has. Mixed messages creates confusion. The old "don't do what I do but do what I say" statement comes to mind.
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