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Titansman1
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- Moola
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Pretty much spot on…lol. Who’s is the dumbass making personnel decisions? Oh yeah, the guy we kept because he wasn’t on the same page as one of best coaches in the league over the past 5-6 years or so.
Vrabel took crappy ass teams and at least had them somewhat competitive. On paper this team is way better than what Vrabel had the past 2 years and we look like a total embarrassment. I always say, be careful what you wish for. To everyone that was calling for Vrabels head I hope you’re happy.
Vrabel took crappy ass teams and at least had them somewhat competitive. On paper this team is way better than what Vrabel had the past 2 years and we look like a total embarrassment. I always say, be careful what you wish for. To everyone that was calling for Vrabels head I hope you’re happy.
- Moola
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I mean, to be clear, he took a divisional round playoff team to the AFCCG, then took them to the dumpster.
I’m not happy with the current situation at all, but that’s not Vrabel. He wasn’t great either and also would be sitting at the bottom.
Let’s not forget that Vrabel blew a 7-3 season to end 7-10, then went 6-11 as an encore.
Titansman1
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- Moola
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Yeah, I agree,
Yes, true. He walked in the door on a team that had already turned the page on their losing mindset and culture and had a winning record. But keep in mind, the teams from the past two years were depleted. True, he blew a 7-3 lead, but we had pretty much every starter on IR and were playing people who were poached from other teams practice squads and couch potatoes. The 6-11 team was even worse.
This years team has way more talent.... on paper anyway, than the teams of the past two years. No way we would be 1-6 and getting smoked for 86+ points in the last 6 quarters of play if Vrabel was still here. This team is getting worse as the season goes on. Not better. That's on the coaching staff.
Yes, true. He walked in the door on a team that had already turned the page on their losing mindset and culture and had a winning record. But keep in mind, the teams from the past two years were depleted. True, he blew a 7-3 lead, but we had pretty much every starter on IR and were playing people who were poached from other teams practice squads and couch potatoes. The 6-11 team was even worse.
This years team has way more talent.... on paper anyway, than the teams of the past two years. No way we would be 1-6 and getting smoked for 86+ points in the last 6 quarters of play if Vrabel was still here. This team is getting worse as the season goes on. Not better. That's on the coaching staff.
Titansman1
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- Moola
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My only solace was hearing them talk about how Dan Campbell started his tenure in Detroit 1-11-1 before things started to click. Let's just hope that BC and company can have that type of turnaround. If we do, these growing pains might be worth it.
- Moola
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Another reason that I would disagree that Vrabel makes any difference here was one of the stats shown during the game.
Titans have been dead last in 2nd half point differential 3 straight years (counting the current season.
2022 was appx -120
2023 was appx -85
So far this season appx -50
I think the real question to dive into, is why are we seeing some of the exact same issues with BC that we saw with Vrabel:
Pass rush packing
3rd down D struggles
Lack of takeaways
Offensive strategy and lack of success
Penalties
OL weakness
ST!!!
I think we put Vrabel back in place, this team is still 2-5, I think Vrabel finds a way to close out Chicago.
I agree with weapons overall but QB is still a big issue, Vrabel had THill who played well til his last year. He also had Brown for 2 years and Henry. The D honestly seems pretty equal.
Titansman1
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- Moola
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I'm not saying that keeping Vrabel suddenly makes all of these problem go away. I am saying that as of now, Vrabel was a better HC. BC seems way over is head and lost with no ability to make in game adjustments.
Vrabel was bull headed and used to drive me nuts with things like not firing terrible assistant coaches too. Like keeping his ST coach for years or Todd Downing. Those were fire-able offenses too. But again, you fire someone because you think you can replace them with someone better or more productive. Thus far, we have taken a step backwards in the coaching category. BC is currently one of the worst coaches in the NFL. Let's hope a light bulb goes off somewhere down the road. But for now he is Whisenhut 2.0.
Vrabel was bull headed and used to drive me nuts with things like not firing terrible assistant coaches too. Like keeping his ST coach for years or Todd Downing. Those were fire-able offenses too. But again, you fire someone because you think you can replace them with someone better or more productive. Thus far, we have taken a step backwards in the coaching category. BC is currently one of the worst coaches in the NFL. Let's hope a light bulb goes off somewhere down the road. But for now he is Whisenhut 2.0.
- Moola
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I disagree with this statement.
I think you fire someone for not meeting expectations of the job. If the job becomes open, you hire someone you believe can do the job to the expectations.
I don’t believe you fire someone based on what the replacement opportunities are.
Titansman1
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- Moola
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I didn't say you fire based on what the replacement prospects are. But if you do fire someone, it's definitely because they aren't performing and you think that you can replace them with someone better.
You look pretty silly when you fire someone for under performing or whatever reason, then replace them with someone way worse than the person you just fired. That's not a very good sign. In the normal business world it's a good way to go under. Which is basically what the Titans are doing at this point.
Hopefully these guys get it turned around. I'll give them a little time to right the ship. But we need to start seeing some growth and positive improvements soon. Up until now, they seem to be regressing, not improving. They could start building my confidence by firing Colt Anderson effective immediately!
- Moola
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So we are in an agreement.
Vrabel was fired for underperforming. stop.
BC was hired on the thought that he would meet the titans expectations (not directly compared, but would include better than Vrabel.)
This would mean even if Vrabel could be argued better than BC, it is really an irrelevant point because Vrabel also was underperforming and would be in the same potential of firing at this point. I just think these are 2 separate actions that can individually be criticized or praised regardless of any comparison to each other.
I make this same argument about the AJ Brown trade.
AJ Brown wants big bucks and will not be utilized to amount he should in TN offense. He gets traded. Stop.
To fill the void left by AJ Brown trade, titans stupidly select Treylon Burks.
I actually agree with both of the first actions but disagree with the Burks draft and I’m certainly skeptical of the BC hiring but in either case, the first action (fire Vrabel, trade Brown) was competitive justified and, to me, seem correct move.
And I guess I disagree on the point of looking silly for firing anyone underperforming regardless of who is hired afterwards. The silliness is if replacement also underperforms and now a track record of hiring underperformers exists.
- Moola
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Man I have to agree. I liked Vrabel as a coach. I know he wasn't popular among a lot of folks, but he did take average talent and make it good, especially on D. his Last two years went South 'cause of the draft that JRob blew up. and he let AJB get gone.
I don't see any way that BC gets a turned over roster turned around. The stinky stinkass culture is back here in full force. How long has it been seen Titans have won at home? Wouldn't surprise me if we lose a close to the 2-5 Pats this Sunday. This locker room culture is so focked right now, one or two wins isn't turning any team culture around. BC doesn't have the player coach cache it takes to personally challenge these guys- they all want out of here without an injury to their money-makers. Ain't nobody playing hard here the rest of the year.
- Moola
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Sounds to me like your on Ran's ass right now. HC hiring and secondarily assistants. And the personnel decisions just haven't worked out. Levis was Ran's pick. This idea that BC didn't really get a choice- I mean he took the job knowing that Levis was going to get a chance. So who gets pinned with Levis?
I feel a bit bad for Ran but he is largely responsible for the CF. He stocked the team as best as possible but BC and his dad couldn't even make the OL average and got Levis destroyed and now is a head case.
- Moola
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I do think Ran is largely responsible at the current moment for the reason of his decision to get BC.
I will give him some credit, he got the weapons to use. He broke the bank for guys highly coveted around the entire league. I think his 2024 draft is looking pretty good.
Unfortunately his 2023 draft was not very good, Levis may be at a point of no return, possibly was just never good. BC doesn’t seem capable of getting the best out of these highly coveted guys.
The assistant coaches seem a question mark at best still.
-Colt Anderson’s seat is obviously on fire. I get what BC is saying on why he wasn’t fired yet, but there must be a turnaround bigly, like this week.
-Nick Holz is lower than question mark. Not sure what the offense is doing. I suppose it could entirely hinge around the right side and QB, but I have my doubts it’s not the OC.
-Denard Wilson seems to be getting a pass, and sometimes even praise, because of yards allowed. Issue is that overlooks points allowed, lack of pass rush, lack of takeaways, not great 3rd down D, and the tougher to explain (GoT explained this well), the ability to play tough until they NEED to play tough.
This team reminds me of my aging farts.
Titansman1
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Vrabel was underperforming because the talent on the roster was decimated by Jrobs terrible drafts and roster moves his last 3 years. Dealing away AJ for Burks obviously crushed us too. Our whole offense rested on Henry’s shoulders behind a terrible Oline.
To me, Vrabel had proven that with a talented roster, heck, even with backups and practice squad guys he could have his team competitive. I think that with this roster Vrabel would more than likely have a winning record this year. In knee jerk fashion we fire a proven coach that had been one of the best coaches in the league and replace him with an unknown, unproven head coach that thus far seems to be clueless.
And I stand by my statement. You fire someone because you do think that you can replace them with someone who can perform better. In my business, anytime I have fired someone it’s because that person was not performing, or not a team player, not trustworthy, etc. and I was certain my business would be better off without them and that I could replace them with someone who could perform better.
- Moola
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Ewww- that's pretty bad.
Titansman1
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- Moola
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Yes, that is true. That was Vrabels biggest flaw. He would ride with scrubs like Downey.
But BC is doing the exact same thing with the worst ST performances and coach that I think I’ve ever seen.