Regarding the long running dispute on the effectiveness of A. Woolfolk and the rest of the pass defense, footballguys.com breaks down every NFL play and rates the effectiveness of the players. From their analysis last year we rated as follows:
Coverage of #1 WRs 30th
Coverage of #2 WRs 32nd
Coverage of other WRs 11th
Coverage of TEs 20th
Coverage of RBs 32nd
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef.php
Coverage of #1 WRs 30th
Coverage of #2 WRs 32nd
Coverage of other WRs 11th
Coverage of TEs 20th
Coverage of RBs 32nd
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef.php
those number will take a considerable jump next year with the addition of hope and thornton along with the improvement of the 2nd year guys. the defense has a lot of speed on it...
nothing will "jump" as long as the Titans keep their anchor Schwartz
TM said:
Other WRs..... hmmm, that would be slot receivers. Andre played 6 games on the outside and 7 on the inside (missed 3 games). Did the article break down game for game.... I don't know right now but I am clicking the link....
It's hard to evaluate stuff this way. I find it interesting, but you can't break it down per player without breaking down game film (coaches tape).
For example, a run to the left was successful. Was it successful because of the scheme (misdirection), or because the LT was overpowering? Or maybe the play was designed to go right but because the right side got stuffed, the RB cut it back to the left. Or maybe the LT missed his block completely but the RB was able to break the tackle.
As you can see, there are a LOT of ways to have a successful running play to the left that doesn't accurately reflect the DL or OL's performance.
But interesting to look at just the same. I like the concept, I just wish they had access to playbooks, play calls and coaches tape to know what is REALLY going on. But that'd never happen!
And as for stats, you only need look at a few. First, figure out what the avg QB would have looked like by taking our year long completion % given up, TD's/INT's, sacks (subtract the yardage), yards thrown for. Plug this in to the QB rating system and you'll know if you had a good pass D or a bad one. If your fictitious QB would rank among the top 10 in the league, then your pass D has BIG problems. Another thing I measure for team success is to look at the QB rating AGAINST our D and compare that to our combined QB rating of our QB's on offense. If the one against our D is better, we probably have a losing season! Since you can only improve your own QB's pass rating so much, you can see why improving the pass D is so important for a defense's success!
Gut
For example, a run to the left was successful. Was it successful because of the scheme (misdirection), or because the LT was overpowering? Or maybe the play was designed to go right but because the right side got stuffed, the RB cut it back to the left. Or maybe the LT missed his block completely but the RB was able to break the tackle.
As you can see, there are a LOT of ways to have a successful running play to the left that doesn't accurately reflect the DL or OL's performance.
But interesting to look at just the same. I like the concept, I just wish they had access to playbooks, play calls and coaches tape to know what is REALLY going on. But that'd never happen!
And as for stats, you only need look at a few. First, figure out what the avg QB would have looked like by taking our year long completion % given up, TD's/INT's, sacks (subtract the yardage), yards thrown for. Plug this in to the QB rating system and you'll know if you had a good pass D or a bad one. If your fictitious QB would rank among the top 10 in the league, then your pass D has BIG problems. Another thing I measure for team success is to look at the QB rating AGAINST our D and compare that to our combined QB rating of our QB's on offense. If the one against our D is better, we probably have a losing season! Since you can only improve your own QB's pass rating so much, you can see why improving the pass D is so important for a defense's success!
Gut
Guys, I played CB in Mexico since I was 4 years old, believe me, the pass defense rankings is not only the CB and the Safeties, pass defense also includes the pass rushers, and when those guys are not doing their jobs right the CB's and the Safeties are in trouble, even the best cover corner will be beaten if the pass rush is not getting the QB behind the line, we need to improve opposite KVB, this year KVB will be facing double teams and Odom and Laboy has to step up because they will be always one on one, do you remember the Freak days? the secondary was not exposed as last year with 2 rookies and we had a very young Samari and a very very average cb called Denard Walker.
WoolfolksUncle said:
It is always good to look for the positive in every situation.
I am not a big fan of Schwartz. I never will be unless our defense gets back to the top. Since that ain't gonna happen. I will never like him.
However, last night while watching the Heat/Pistons, Hubie Brown stated "that an NBA team is similar to a NFL team. Your only as good as your weakest link."
However, last night while watching the Heat/Pistons, Hubie Brown stated "that an NBA team is similar to a NFL team. Your only as good as your weakest link."
Fuller first in line for nickel spot...
"One other significant note: Vincent Fuller, the second-year safety who’s coming off an injury that cost him all but the first game of his rookie season, looks to rank ahead of Andre Woolfolk as the nickelback."
http://www.tennessean.com/
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From paul kuharsky in his monday may 15th column from the tennessean. Maybe fisher isn't as satified with our slot coverage as some may think.
Again that is from paul kuharsky of the tennessean not me or any board member.
"One other significant note: Vincent Fuller, the second-year safety who’s coming off an injury that cost him all but the first game of his rookie season, looks to rank ahead of Andre Woolfolk as the nickelback."
http://www.tennessean.com/
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From paul kuharsky in his monday may 15th column from the tennessean. Maybe fisher isn't as satified with our slot coverage as some may think.
Again that is from paul kuharsky of the tennessean not me or any board member.
Tiotans pass coverage...
As a team we ranked 32th(last) in TD passes given up. 33 touchdown passes against us over 2 a game!
On the other side of things we were 30th in ints with just 9 per game.
To put this in perspective the median team in 2005 gave up 19 TD passes and got 16 ints.
On a per game basis the leagues average defenses gave up 1.18 TD passes a game but picked off an averge of one pass per game. Almost even.
We gave up 2.1 TDs passes per game and only took away .56 ints per game.
It's the lack of ints that were most pathetic to me. Our 2 first rd cornerbacks combined for one int.(woolfolk) and each of our starting safeties had just one int. Reynaldo alone accounted for 1/3 of the whole team's ints! Thank goodness for him!
As a team we ranked 32th(last) in TD passes given up. 33 touchdown passes against us over 2 a game!
On the other side of things we were 30th in ints with just 9 per game.
To put this in perspective the median team in 2005 gave up 19 TD passes and got 16 ints.
On a per game basis the leagues average defenses gave up 1.18 TD passes a game but picked off an averge of one pass per game. Almost even.
We gave up 2.1 TDs passes per game and only took away .56 ints per game.
It's the lack of ints that were most pathetic to me. Our 2 first rd cornerbacks combined for one int.(woolfolk) and each of our starting safeties had just one int. Reynaldo alone accounted for 1/3 of the whole team's ints! Thank goodness for him!
Yeah, but Woolfolk makes tackles on 95% of the receptions he gives up.
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That "stat" came right from Andre's Uncle.
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That "stat" came right from Andre's Uncle.
Does running behind a WR with your arms stretched out like a Scooby-Doo chase scene count as anything. Titans led the league in Scooby-Doo moments.
RollTide said:
Interceptions go a long way, but overall passing defense is really what you should want to know and the Titans were #17 overall in passing defense.. Now a team noted for having a good defense is the Broncos, however, their passing defense was ranked 29th and yielded a starting pro bowler. Champ Bailey... Now to your credit on your post, they had 20 ints to the Titans 9, with only Oakland and Houston being worse 5 and 7 respectively or not respectively. The Titans overall, could get more interceptions. One key on interceptions and everyone that really follows the game will say this is true is a solid pass rush, pressure on QBs generates more ints, why, rushed passes, not enough touch on passess to due to being rushed and over thrown due to scrambling and not setting feet before the pass.... Game fundamentals. The only solid pass rusher last season was KVB....
Also of credit to your post was the TDs ratio... Titans Dead Last... ummm ummm ummm, gotta fix it, but everything is fixable.
Ah no....
but overall passing defense is really what you should want to know and the Titans were #17 overall in passing defense..
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No that doesn't help at all. Total yardage given up is misleading because we were behind in so many games and because our run defense was also poor. Teams didn't have to air it our against us.
It's the effectiveness of our pass defense and when we needed a stop we didn't get it. When we needed a turnover we didn't get it. to give up 33 TDs and only get back 9 ints speaks volumes.
As for your criticism of our pass rush that was actually a strong point. We were tied for 8th total sacks and KVB was 4th in the league. KVB accounted for 30% of our 41 sacks so it wasn't just him.
but overall passing defense is really what you should want to know and the Titans were #17 overall in passing defense..
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No that doesn't help at all. Total yardage given up is misleading because we were behind in so many games and because our run defense was also poor. Teams didn't have to air it our against us.
It's the effectiveness of our pass defense and when we needed a stop we didn't get it. When we needed a turnover we didn't get it. to give up 33 TDs and only get back 9 ints speaks volumes.
As for your criticism of our pass rush that was actually a strong point. We were tied for 8th total sacks and KVB was 4th in the league. KVB accounted for 30% of our 41 sacks so it wasn't just him.
What else can we say?
A tennessean columist writes one sentence about vince fuller maybe being the number one nickel and he has to be inundated with angry emails? I post that ONE SENTENCE, one sentence and was just accused of being dishonest and of trying to mislead someone. To my knowledge that is all kuharsky has written about the matter. Is there more? I posted all i know of but i get called a liar?
When someone says that a certain DB makes 95% of all his tackles i would think that a compliment. Wouldn't most reasonable people? According to WU brian has no business writing such a post but WU has every right to go on a hate rampage over it.
When a poster is so flamable that the slightest thing creates a firestorm of nonsense and victimization you have to wonder if there is more there than just defending a nephew from attack because these rants. These rants occur even when andre is not under attack at all.
An entire thread was eliminated because of this nonsense so can we make it two?
I know this that when the issue of andre woolfolk or the titan's defensive backfield comes up i'm going to post my opinion and no amount of psychotic drivel or hate filled nonsense is going to stop me.
A tennessean columist writes one sentence about vince fuller maybe being the number one nickel and he has to be inundated with angry emails? I post that ONE SENTENCE, one sentence and was just accused of being dishonest and of trying to mislead someone. To my knowledge that is all kuharsky has written about the matter. Is there more? I posted all i know of but i get called a liar?
When someone says that a certain DB makes 95% of all his tackles i would think that a compliment. Wouldn't most reasonable people? According to WU brian has no business writing such a post but WU has every right to go on a hate rampage over it.
When a poster is so flamable that the slightest thing creates a firestorm of nonsense and victimization you have to wonder if there is more there than just defending a nephew from attack because these rants. These rants occur even when andre is not under attack at all.
An entire thread was eliminated because of this nonsense so can we make it two?
I know this that when the issue of andre woolfolk or the titan's defensive backfield comes up i'm going to post my opinion and no amount of psychotic drivel or hate filled nonsense is going to stop me.
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