I saw that Brown had alot of carries that seemed to not go far at all. Take away that one long play and his average dips to well under 4 yds a carry. I kept seeing brown trying and failing to get yardage by running inside. Nobody leave his agent a voicemail quite yet.
Also, Travis Henry scored a TD and I'm surprised it was not reveiwed. He hardly stomped in through a nice hole with authority. I was begining to fear a 12 yd fg attempt just before the score. We didn't even look impressive when we were scoring.
Also I would like to add that I think Brown would have been turned back and drilled into the dirt until the referree blew the whistle.
Also, Travis Henry scored a TD and I'm surprised it was not reveiwed. He hardly stomped in through a nice hole with authority. I was begining to fear a 12 yd fg attempt just before the score. We didn't even look impressive when we were scoring.
Also I would like to add that I think Brown would have been turned back and drilled into the dirt until the referree blew the whistle.
SEC 330 BIPOLAR said:
Well, I hate to bring the discussion in here, but I guess I have to. The following are the runningback stats ignoring their longest run of the day:
C. Brown: 8 for 26, 3.25 avg.
T. Henry: 9 for 14, 1.56 avg.
R. Bush: 5 for 15, 3 avg.
Sure, these are preseason stats, but no question Brown was the best runningback out there today, based on average.
Why leave out their longest run? That makes no sense in evaluating them.
Ewker said:
why's that ? that shank kept 3 points off the board
... now check the final score ....:yes:
bigtitan53279 said:
I agree. Ya, he tackled the receivers, but the CB's real job is to make sure the receiver never gets the ball. ADAM JONES WAS A MONSTER. He might earn his nickname this year.:yes:
Puck said:
it was from 56 yds!!! not many teams will even attempt from that distance plus as stated in another thread it was a bad snap.
Hoffa said:
Because BP brought up that if take away Brown's longest run, his average dips below 4. If you include their longest run it looks like this:
C. Brown: 9 for 47, 5.2 avg.
T. Henry: 10 for 23, 2.3 avg.
R. Bush: 6 for 59, 9.8 avg.
Bush obviously becomes the best back of the game, but Brown is still head and shoulders above Henry in production.
But his longest run wasn't taken away during the game, so BP your point makes no sense.Vigsted said:
Puck said:
It was from 56 yards!!
Teams from time to time will "attempt" a 56 yarder (usually towards to end of a half or a game) but rarely "expect" to make them.
But, it's a bonus when they do.
No kicker should be expected to make a kick from more than a maximum than 53 yards away. But, shouldn't always be expected from those distances.
SH-- HAPPENS!! :grrr:
in statistics that is known as an outlier. (I think) ... long runs, just one, can really skew and average, that's all. If you discard the longest run it can give a clearer picture of the typical carry. Look, if you think Brown looked great out there and was really kicking butt... good for you. I didn't really see that but I'll concede that I was very impaired. Maybe his production can be furthered studied with a breakdown of his touches and it can be shown on paper that he's a beast. All I'm saying is I didn't see a beast last night. I saw a guy that carried often for 1 maybe 2 yards and had a really nice long run.Hoffa said:
Odom looked pretty good. Let's not just make it a every year preseason thing Antwain :lol: Is LaBoy a little dinged? But he was also giving Jamal Brown some fits too when he got in.
Mahelona looked very good to me too. You can see the quickness, and he'll be a run stuffing upgrade over Long.
The guys catching the ball need better gloves perhaps? :irked:
Reynaldo and Andre looked pretty bad :hmm: Pac looked very good.
I thought Bell looked pretty good, as did Amano.
I'm gonna watch the game again to see if my 1st impressions match my final ones :lol:
Mahelona looked very good to me too. You can see the quickness, and he'll be a run stuffing upgrade over Long.
The guys catching the ball need better gloves perhaps? :irked:
Reynaldo and Andre looked pretty bad :hmm: Pac looked very good.
I thought Bell looked pretty good, as did Amano.
I'm gonna watch the game again to see if my 1st impressions match my final ones :lol:
I don't mean taken away by penalty, I just mean taken off the table.Hoffa said:
If I had carries of 50, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3 my average would be 8.57 yards...
So now I'm a back that gets 8 yards everytime I touch the ball??? Because of my wicked average? oh yeah, 85% of the time I carry for 2.5 yards because I'm a beast with my eight and a half yard average. Throwing out an outlier is a very common practice in statisical anaylsis. I was in no way making any reference to negated plays due to penalty. i.e. Pacman's return that went to mid feild but was called back to inside the Titans 10 for an illegal block to the back.
8.5 yards per carry?
That's Gunny-like production... :whoop:
that part about whether you thought Brown was on fire, (like Soxcat will likely say... :lolHoffa said:
was adressed to anyone. If anything I guess I was directing that to titansfan10. It's not like you and I are PM'ing over this topic. Others are saying Brown was looking real good. I was unimpressed. I was not overly impressed with Vince Young either and you guys know how much I "likes me some Vince" ... Still just the same... from the stats I'm seeing he looks better on paper. I'm going to see if I can find his carry totals.. per carry... I know he had carries for practically nothing and that is what my selective memory is recalling for me.you need to quit screwing with me. :lol:Hoffa said:
I do think that Pacman Jones was the star last night.
Bobo said:
Our right side was beastly in the first part of the game, credit to Bell and Amano for that.
Vigsted said:
I don't necessarily agree.
I do agree that Brown is faster through the hole and much more likely to rip off a 10+ yard run.
But a few of Henry's carries were tough, short runs inside the five (the first to convert a first down, then a no-gain from the 1, then a 1-yd TD), where YPC was not the point, and it's an area where Brown was not particularly strong last year...and I thought Henry also did a good job on one play just to get back to the line of scrimmage after the blocking broke down. IMO, that's the kind of play where Brown is more likely to get dropped for a loss.
I mostly liked what Henry did last night, and I think it complements Brown pretty well.
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