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Vigsted said:
Then what did? Volek's been here for 6 years, yet they only just realised he wasn't starter material 2 weeks ago? If that's the case our coaches are horrible, downright inept at evaluating players...
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There are a number of backup QBs in the league who are not starter material. Maybe the coaches thought he could do the job but a full summer of evaluation proved otherwise. We can only speculate.

I think, in time, we'll find out more if Volek doesn't start Sunday.
 
TitanJeff said:
but a full summer of evaluation proved otherwise. We can only speculate.
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It's not like Volek's done something this summer he didn't do in the past. The only thing that's changed is the number of reps. With all the practices McNair missed, Volek was the #1 QB alot at practice, so I still don't buy that they saw something they couldn't have seen in the previous 6 years.
 
I think Underwood coming in had something to do with it.
Had Underwood not come to town, I don't think Collins would have either.
 
Actually, that isn't ironic at all.

RollTide said:
Isn't it ironic that billy volek's preseason passing rating was similar to his career rating....87.5 And that collin's short work against ther packers mirrors his career passing rating...77.7. How ironic.
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/hint

Don't you think?

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Vigsted said:
It's not like Volek's done something this summer he didn't do in the past.
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He's only ran the Chow offense for right at a year. He didn't do well with it last year either.

The only thing that's changed is the number of reps. With all the practices McNair missed, Volek was the #1 QB alot at practice, so I still don't buy that they saw something they couldn't have seen in the previous 6 years.
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If you are talking about arm strength and accuracy, they would know his ability. But if he was missing reads, then that's something that may not have been an issue until the games and they wanted to give him the full training camp to work things out. Maybe there were other issues we'll never know about.

Obviously, this has to be something pretty serious to make them change directions so fast and go with what most would consider a very average QB in a season Fisher needs to get things back on track.
 
Tide, if the Titans still had McNair, would you play him over Volek? I'm thinking you would.

I'm not going to call Kerry Collins the best thing since sliced bread but he outperformed McNair the last two seasons statistically. Last year, he had 3759 passing yards and 20 TDs to McNair's 3162 and 16 TDs. Collins has the rep of being a fumbler but he lost the same number of fumbles as McNair last season despite playing in one more game.

Different styles of offense contributes to McNair winning the completion percentage and passer rating battle. But Collins had 20 more passing plays which resulted in 20+ yard gains (49 to 29) and only threw one more INT in the process despite having 89 more attempts.

The '04 season isn't even close as McNair only played eight games to Collins' 13. In two seasons, Collins played in 29 games to McNair's 22. You like your #1 on the field, right?

So if Collins is statistically better than McNair, why wouldn't you want to play him over Volek if you would start McNair over Volek?

Personally, I'd take McNair over Collins any day. I think the WR talent Collins had gave him a clear advantage. But if you want to stick by your beloved stats, there is no way you can say McNair has been better the last two seasons than Collins.
 
TitanJeff said:
I'm not going to call Kerry Collins the best thing since sliced bread but he outperformed McNair the last two seasons statistically.
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Hmm, let me see, McNair with Porter, Moss, Lamont Jordan and an O-line that includes Robert Gallery vs. Collins, Bennet, Jones, Chris Brown and an O-line that includes Piller and Olson... yeah, I would have to say that McNair would have had much better numbers in Oakland as well, so would Volek.
 
BlazingArrow#9 said:
I hope you are not talking about Collins because he has not proven squat. 3 of 11 is nothing. He had the same team year after year on the Giants. Same receivers, same RB same line, the D has gotten even better over time since he blew that game. He is a poor leader.
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The Giants were not the same year after year. Surrounding guys had good years and bad years. Or are you suggesting that Collins is the only player on the team that was up and down??? Either way you have to admit that players are not the same every year.

Last season he had Moss and Porter and should have been able to make that team work. Lamont Jordan ended up with 70 receptions last season because Collin has no vision. It is either deap or dump off no middle of the road for that guy.
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First off, you should check out Collins' numbers from when Moss was actually healthy (he played seriously hurt in a number of games). Much better than his season totals. Secondly, Collins isn't the one calling the plays. He has to play the scheme the coaches (since fired) want to run.

You take away last season and Collins has more INTs then TDs for his career. Don't tell me having arguably one of the best receivers playing right now did not bolster his stats.
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Sure it did, like when Moss actually played versus when he didn't. Just look and Culpepper's stats last year post-Moss. Having Moss makes any QB better. But if your best argument that Collins is a waste is that he couldn't turn a receiving corps starring Amani Toomer and Ike Hilliard into an elite passing attack, then you are woefully misguided...
 
Vigsted said:
Hmm, let me see, McNair with Porter, Moss, Lamont Jordan and an O-line that includes Robert Gallery vs. Collins, Bennet, Jones, Chris Brown and an O-line that includes Piller and Olson... yeah, I would have to say that McNair would have had much better numbers in Oakland as well, so would Volek.
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Maybe. Maybe not. The Titans had the weaker schedule.

The point of all that was that you can't look to stats to tell the entire story. Different offensive scheme. Different surrounding players. Different competition. And so on...
 
so, if the article is right, as of today his $1M salary is officially on the books. Is that correct?

What about the dead money now if we trade or release?
 
Vigsted said:
Volek's been here for 6 years, yet they only just realised he wasn't starter material 2 weeks ago?
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Umm, they drafted Vince Young in April. They knew well before that. I'm guessing some time in 2004.
 
Starkiller said:
Plus, the fact is, Collins has played on some pretty bad teams.
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AND VOLEK HASN'T??

He had a good team when he finished the game vs. Atlanta. That's been the last of it. He's had to play with crap since then. And in that slim shootout loss vs. KC Dec 13, 2004, the team was so disintegrated that Troupe was about to be put on defense.

Volek has never had a team worth a crap to play under center with.

And, as an aside, I used to think RCarie knew something about football until this thread. RC, tell me you couldn't possibly have been serious on page 3??
 
True, Volek has also had bad teams. But what has he done well other than throw a nice deep ball? His big games in 2004 came directly from throwing deep balls to Drew Bennett against some of the worst pass defenses in the league.

What has he done well other than throw a nice deep ball (something that is no longer a big part of our offense)?
 
Brian said:
Umm, they drafted Vince Young in April. They knew well before that. I'm guessing some time in 2004.
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Brian, terrific point there.

TJ- I really like that McNair/Collins-Volek logic.
That was really good.

I feel like they are going to hold Volek as a guy they can play and shop. The trade deadline is a while off. If the "market" demands his services he'll get dealt, and he will want to... I have a gut feeling there are things going on we don't know about. I bet Reese is sitting back waiting for the perfect offer to come to him. Volek is like a new ball glove to me here... we've got a broken in one but someone might like to buy our spare new glove... something like that if you follow. I guess the more common thing would be to call him a bargaining chip.

That said I'd rather have a player we can use than a pick in the draft.
 
Brian said:
Umm, they drafted Vince Young in April. They knew well before that. I'm guessing some time in 2004.
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They knew that Volek wasn't a franchise quarterback, that's not the same as not being starter material. Certainly all we heard during the McNair situation was how Volek would do fine until Young was ready.
 
Starkiller said:
What has he done well other than throw a nice deep ball (something that is no longer a big part of our offense)?
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What has Collins done well other than throw a "nice" deep ball (something that is no longer a big part of our offense)?
 
Brian said:
So you enjoy smoke being blown up your ***?
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No, my point is if they knew already then that Volek wasn't the answer for this year, why not bring in a QB at that point?

And I doubt that we're going to have a winning season just because we replaced Volek with Collins.
 
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