^ 11 games started, 220 rushing attempts for 1067 yards and a 4.9yd average.
16 games started, 312 rushing attempts for 1031 yards and a 3.3yd average.
Now, it really sucks that Brown was injured like that that year. He missed the whole back end of the season. Of all those starts EG made what percentage of them was he 100% ? Whatever number you come up with may sound favorable but keep in mind he had a relatively long career for a RB. Yes, Chris Brown's career by comparison has been a short one, and yes he has had injury issues but the simple fact remains that "first down Brown" did more on the ground in eleven starts in 2004 than Eddie George did in 16 in 2003. EG also had a better team around him IMHO.
"Has he ever played a full season without missing a game due to injury?"
Do you look at the rest of the league?
Backs who missed starts in 2005...
# 39 Willie Parker
# 26 DeShaun Foster
# 38 Mike Anderson
# 32 Edgerrin James
They're others but these names are just the most impressive.
But true, these backs only missed a game or two, not almost 1/3 of the entire schedule. I see your point. The vast majority of superior RB's start and play 16 games. Chris Brown is and can be a great change up man when he's not busy getting dinged and licking his wounds. It's long been my contention that we need a 1200 yard back...this class includes...
Shaun Alexander
Tiki Barber
Larry Johnson
Clinton Portis
Edgerrin James
LaDainian Tomlinson
Rudi Johnson
Warrick Dunn
Thomas Jones
Willis McGahee
Reuben Droughns
Willie Parker
These guys make their starts...but until we have the draft capital, we must worry about greater needs such as QB, OT/OG, LB, S/SS, ... RB is like #5 need to me...not worthy of a first day pick, Henry/Brown, $$$, and all things considered.
It will take alot for Brown to get to Eddies level, alot! If I was the coach, which I am not, Brown might not make the team in 2006.
Watching Brown run this year felt like a bull in a china shop, "what's he gonna break this time?"
Watching Brown run this year felt like a bull in a china shop, "what's he gonna break this time?"
Am I sensing that Browns' running ability impressed someone this year?
Brown is nowhere near where Eddie was in his prime... Eddie was a leader that got the job done and Brown is a passive little kitty cat.
brown doesnt have the mental toughness it takes to play runningback.
Maybe I missed it, but why compare Brown's best year against one of Ed's worst? Are we getting bored already? :lol:
if i remember correctly, Eddie NEVER missed a game as a Titan / Oiler
that's all the comparison that needs to be made
that's all the comparison that needs to be made
First of all trying to compare EG and Brown is ridiculous. They practically play in different generations. EG stunk from 2001 on. Brown was not an early 1st round pick and his salary isn't the cause of our CAP problems like EGs was. Brown had a terrible year this year for him and his putrid 3.8 YPC was still better than 6 of EGs seasons. The last four years of EGs career he averaged 3.0, 3.4,3.3,3.3. Additionally Brown had more yards receiving this year than EG had in 7 of EG's 9 seasons. In 2004 Brown had 6 100 yard or more games where EG had only 7 in 4 years. Even Antowain Smith averaged 3.7 YPC in 2004 and averaged 4.0 last year with NO. EG have been durable but EG was terrible his last 4 years. So what if a guy is healthy if he can't play well. By the way EG had almost identical YPC numbers his last season at Dallas and Parcells knew how bad EG was and didn't even activate him for 3 of the last 7 games and EG only got 10 carries combined in the other 4 games.
Is Brown as good as EG in his prime. No but EG's prime ended 5 years ago. Saying Brown should not make the team this year is totally ridiculous considering he is still by far the best back we have.
Is Brown as good as EG in his prime. No but EG's prime ended 5 years ago. Saying Brown should not make the team this year is totally ridiculous considering he is still by far the best back we have.
QUOTE: "Saying Brown should not make the team this year is totally ridiculous considering he is still by far the best back we have."
<u>That just shows you how bad the Titans really are</u>. Do not be surprised if Brown is dropped for Henry and Nash, and a possible 3rd from the draft board. Brown is accident prone which is why he was drafted so late out of Colorado. He hasn't had a healthy season. We need someone who will be able to play every game, someone more durable than Brown.
But I do feel your pain, I paid $50.00 for one of his shirts!
<u>That just shows you how bad the Titans really are</u>. Do not be surprised if Brown is dropped for Henry and Nash, and a possible 3rd from the draft board. Brown is accident prone which is why he was drafted so late out of Colorado. He hasn't had a healthy season. We need someone who will be able to play every game, someone more durable than Brown.
But I do feel your pain, I paid $50.00 for one of his shirts!
Unfortunately, the jury's still out on Brown. He's not played a long enough stretch to evaluate his impact on the team. It's tough to evaluate him this year because we were in catch up mode so early in many games we had to abandon the run. He's certainly not proven he can be durable.
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fitantitans said:
I can't speak for the coaches or Reese but I would bet they have a much higher rating on Brown than many on this board do. Saying we would try to go with Henry and Nash is almost laughable. Henry certainly didn't prove his durability last year and missed 4 games with a drug suspention. I would like to see Henry come back if he can be brought back cheap. Nash hasn't proven anything and had mental and physical problems last year. On top of that this assumption any Tom, Dick or Harry we grab off the street is going to be better and more durable is non-sense. If you don't like brown fine but come up with a better solution than dumping Brown for a 3rd round pick and going with Henry and Nash. Doing that would put RB as an extreme priority in this draft and this year there is a pretty good drop off after the 4 guys that will go in the 1st round. And NO, bringing back EG is not an option. I would rather have Antowain Smith back.
There is no way that the FO goes with just Nash and Henry. Henry is one strike away from being suspended for a year and Nash is 5th round pick that showed potential in the Jacksonville game.
It will be Brown and Henry in the backfield this year(unless we draft Bush, trade down and draft DeAngelo)
It will be Brown and Henry in the backfield this year(unless we draft Bush, trade down and draft DeAngelo)
Eddie could be brought back as a sports caster, but that's it. His football career is done.
I am laughing, I WOULD take Henry and Nash over Brown. As someone said, "The jury is still out on Brown". Why? The jury should be in. How long are you planning to wait? Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-Brown, but I am pro-winning. I want the Titans to go with the best RBs we can get or afford.
How about Reggie Bush as any "Tom, Dick or Harry off the street to replace Brown"? The draft isn't until April. No guarantee who takes him until that time. Accually, that other running back from Texas, White (?), either would be nice.
Not only is Brown a bull in the China shop, he is costing us money. He would make a good 2nd behind a feature back at a cheaper price. Kinda put him in the same category as Drew Bennett. He's a great #2, but no where close to a #1.
Let me ask you something else, If Bush and one of the 2 top QBs falls to 3rd, which do you feel the Titans would take? The QB or the RB?
I am laughing, I WOULD take Henry and Nash over Brown. As someone said, "The jury is still out on Brown". Why? The jury should be in. How long are you planning to wait? Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-Brown, but I am pro-winning. I want the Titans to go with the best RBs we can get or afford.
How about Reggie Bush as any "Tom, Dick or Harry off the street to replace Brown"? The draft isn't until April. No guarantee who takes him until that time. Accually, that other running back from Texas, White (?), either would be nice.
Not only is Brown a bull in the China shop, he is costing us money. He would make a good 2nd behind a feature back at a cheaper price. Kinda put him in the same category as Drew Bennett. He's a great #2, but no where close to a #1.
Let me ask you something else, If Bush and one of the 2 top QBs falls to 3rd, which do you feel the Titans would take? The QB or the RB?
fitantitans said:
Brown has played two years and has almost 2000 yards rushing in those two years despite missing time with injury. Yet you want to keep Henry, one game away from a drug suspension who has a total of 670 yards rushing over the last two years and his backup would be a guy we don't even know is NFL backup material.
And you call that pro-winning?
If Bush is available he will be a Titan not because Brown isn't good but because Bush is the highest rated prospect to come out in the last 1000 years. More than likely we will not have a chance at Bush anyway.
I think I look into the future more than others do. Brown will not make it as a featured back, he's too injury prone. Why hang onto something that you know will not get you to where you are going? There are not too many people that believe that Browns contract will not be extended after this season, if it is, it'll be cheap. Brown knows that this is a Do or Die year for him, and so does the FO. I don't think they are going to be willing to invest much money in him. Too many times I've heard, "Let's keep him, maybe he'll improve next year" or "he's the best we've got (Drew)". That thinking won us 4 games last year.
And about Henry's drug problem. Who knew he had a drug problem when we signed him? I surely didn't and I'm willing to bet not too many people did know. The FO knew, they had too. We know now because he got into trouble again. We are only a traffic stop or a Channel 4 News cast away from loosing more than Henry. If you think Henry is the only one with a skeleton hangin around the closet, talk to Samari Rolle, McNair or Hopkins.
But any way, this is going to be one draft worth focusing on. QB and RB is not the only problems we face. I've heard talk about LBs being selected. I'm surprised nothing has been said about our receiver corps. Or are they planning to handle that with FAs, who knows. It'll be interesting. I do know that the Titans organization can not afford to 'Suck' very long. Their fan base is already starting to shake. As for me, my PSL will go up for sell when my name appears in the obituaries!
And about Henry's drug problem. Who knew he had a drug problem when we signed him? I surely didn't and I'm willing to bet not too many people did know. The FO knew, they had too. We know now because he got into trouble again. We are only a traffic stop or a Channel 4 News cast away from loosing more than Henry. If you think Henry is the only one with a skeleton hangin around the closet, talk to Samari Rolle, McNair or Hopkins.
But any way, this is going to be one draft worth focusing on. QB and RB is not the only problems we face. I've heard talk about LBs being selected. I'm surprised nothing has been said about our receiver corps. Or are they planning to handle that with FAs, who knows. It'll be interesting. I do know that the Titans organization can not afford to 'Suck' very long. Their fan base is already starting to shake. As for me, my PSL will go up for sell when my name appears in the obituaries!
Fightintitan..
Who is this durable back that you want for the titans? There are 2 guys in nfl history as durable as eddie. Jim brown and walter payton. Want us to pick up one of them? I hope you don't consider travis henry one of those durable backs though he didn't miss one single drug suspension game to injury.:sad2: Bravo henry. Despite that 4 week vacation away from taking as hit travis still missed a couple of games with injury. Good thing we didn't really need him.
You like travis henry. You want to pay his salary? He gets a $4M bonus and counts $2.1M against the cap. Brown has no bonus coming and counts only $605,000. You don't think that matters?
The drug issue with henry is a simple one. He can't help the team if he isn't allowed to play. Personallly i could care less if travis likes to smoke a little weed now and then.
As for how the two players perform on the field you have to give the edge to brown. Both had identical yards per carry this year so henry couldn't out perform this supposed broken body of brown. And you have to take brown in the passing game. You are aware that brown rushed for 150 more yards this year than henry has rushed the last 2 years.
Well that's my complete analysis which i'm sure can't compete with the superficial analysis of so many on this board. The bottom line is that chris brown is at worst a very solid backup RB and since his paycheck is actually less than what we once paid robert holcombe to back up eddie george it is beyond normal reason that he wouldn't make the team. Brown should be very motivated in 2006 since this is his last year of his contract. I assume that chow will try to find more ways to get him the ball in the passing game. 2006 could be brown's best year yet.
Who is this durable back that you want for the titans? There are 2 guys in nfl history as durable as eddie. Jim brown and walter payton. Want us to pick up one of them? I hope you don't consider travis henry one of those durable backs though he didn't miss one single drug suspension game to injury.:sad2: Bravo henry. Despite that 4 week vacation away from taking as hit travis still missed a couple of games with injury. Good thing we didn't really need him.
You like travis henry. You want to pay his salary? He gets a $4M bonus and counts $2.1M against the cap. Brown has no bonus coming and counts only $605,000. You don't think that matters?
The drug issue with henry is a simple one. He can't help the team if he isn't allowed to play. Personallly i could care less if travis likes to smoke a little weed now and then.
As for how the two players perform on the field you have to give the edge to brown. Both had identical yards per carry this year so henry couldn't out perform this supposed broken body of brown. And you have to take brown in the passing game. You are aware that brown rushed for 150 more yards this year than henry has rushed the last 2 years.
Well that's my complete analysis which i'm sure can't compete with the superficial analysis of so many on this board. The bottom line is that chris brown is at worst a very solid backup RB and since his paycheck is actually less than what we once paid robert holcombe to back up eddie george it is beyond normal reason that he wouldn't make the team. Brown should be very motivated in 2006 since this is his last year of his contract. I assume that chow will try to find more ways to get him the ball in the passing game. 2006 could be brown's best year yet.
QUOTE; You like travis henry. You want to pay his salary? He gets a $4M bonus and counts $2.1M against the cap. Brown has no bonus coming and counts only $605,000. You don't think that matters?
They don't plan to give Henry that money about as much as they plan to give McNair 50 mil. Travis will be released and <u>possibly</u> resigned. To what kind of a deal, don't know, but if it happens, it'll be cheap.
I was asked my opinion, I gave it.
They don't plan to give Henry that money about as much as they plan to give McNair 50 mil. Travis will be released and <u>possibly</u> resigned. To what kind of a deal, don't know, but if it happens, it'll be cheap.
I was asked my opinion, I gave it.
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