The Heath Shular Syndrome;
UT's Heath Shular was a good QB on a good college football team. He was given a good solid OL and future NFL receivers. Drafted high by the Redskins, (who also drafted Gus Ferote(?) in the same draft), he turned out to be a 'bust'. Most blame either his after-draft holdout, or 'too much thrown at him at once' which includes millions of dollars from sponsers if he panned out. He left football because of a defective toe!
It is my opinion, and mine only, that Heath was a bust because he was on the wrong team. Had Heath been drafted by the Cowboys, his career would have be different. Playing for the Redskins, Heath had no protection, which he was used to. Heath really didn't know how to scramble, he didn't have to at UT. Heath had NFL bound receivers at UT, the Redskins receivers sucked. Gus was a better fit with the Redskins because he came from a college that was similar in talent to the Redskins. He was used to running for his life and throwing on the run. He was also used to hitting his receivers in the face with the ball rather than the convience of throwing 'in the area of the receiver' as Heath had. Gus still plays in the NFL. Heath sells houses.
So what's the point?
The difference between Lienart (who I believe will fall to us in the draft), and Cutler is extremely simular to Shular vs Ferote(?) at Washington. Leinart is coming from a college that provided a good OL that kept him from scrambling except during the Rose Bowl vs Texas. Cutler is used to running for his life thanks in huge part to the Vandy OL. Cutler didn't have the caliber receivers Leinart had and Cutler surely did not have a Reggie Bush standing behind him. In fact, who did Cutler have standing behind him?
Any how, USC made it to the top of the hill with talent every where, 2 Heisman trophys and several other future NFL players. Cutler got Vandy higher than they have ever been, and virtually by himself.
Looking at my Heath Shular Syndrome and figuring that it's correct, whom would be a better fit with the Titans?
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UT's Heath Shular was a good QB on a good college football team. He was given a good solid OL and future NFL receivers. Drafted high by the Redskins, (who also drafted Gus Ferote(?) in the same draft), he turned out to be a 'bust'. Most blame either his after-draft holdout, or 'too much thrown at him at once' which includes millions of dollars from sponsers if he panned out. He left football because of a defective toe!
It is my opinion, and mine only, that Heath was a bust because he was on the wrong team. Had Heath been drafted by the Cowboys, his career would have be different. Playing for the Redskins, Heath had no protection, which he was used to. Heath really didn't know how to scramble, he didn't have to at UT. Heath had NFL bound receivers at UT, the Redskins receivers sucked. Gus was a better fit with the Redskins because he came from a college that was similar in talent to the Redskins. He was used to running for his life and throwing on the run. He was also used to hitting his receivers in the face with the ball rather than the convience of throwing 'in the area of the receiver' as Heath had. Gus still plays in the NFL. Heath sells houses.
So what's the point?
The difference between Lienart (who I believe will fall to us in the draft), and Cutler is extremely simular to Shular vs Ferote(?) at Washington. Leinart is coming from a college that provided a good OL that kept him from scrambling except during the Rose Bowl vs Texas. Cutler is used to running for his life thanks in huge part to the Vandy OL. Cutler didn't have the caliber receivers Leinart had and Cutler surely did not have a Reggie Bush standing behind him. In fact, who did Cutler have standing behind him?
Any how, USC made it to the top of the hill with talent every where, 2 Heisman trophys and several other future NFL players. Cutler got Vandy higher than they have ever been, and virtually by himself.
Looking at my Heath Shular Syndrome and figuring that it's correct, whom would be a better fit with the Titans?
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I always like Heath Shular in orange better than Peyton Manning.
I know that's off topic but since you talk about the Vols I need to drink my haterade for the day right there. I just love to hate on Peyton every chance I get because I'm a Peyton hater and a Vol fan...Shular was awesome.
What about the Chow factor? That's a good fit...
ML fall to us? What about VY? Texans take VY you are saying and NO takes Bush? Yikes! I don't know who is the better fit but if we end up with ML the BV era should begin and SM should be gone. I just happen to think that we will get VY and pay SM too much...
I'd be okay with Cutler but there is alot of risk there. He can get stolen once you trade out and then you end up taking DH, 'cause Brick and Hawk are long gone and the pooch is screwed...
Then you have to get rid of a RB...
I like the idea of comparing VY and JC...
I know that's off topic but since you talk about the Vols I need to drink my haterade for the day right there. I just love to hate on Peyton every chance I get because I'm a Peyton hater and a Vol fan...Shular was awesome.
What about the Chow factor? That's a good fit...
ML fall to us? What about VY? Texans take VY you are saying and NO takes Bush? Yikes! I don't know who is the better fit but if we end up with ML the BV era should begin and SM should be gone. I just happen to think that we will get VY and pay SM too much...
I'd be okay with Cutler but there is alot of risk there. He can get stolen once you trade out and then you end up taking DH, 'cause Brick and Hawk are long gone and the pooch is screwed...
Then you have to get rid of a RB...
I like the idea of comparing VY and JC...
Fisher is on the bubble. No way is he going to start a rookie quarterback when this is his season to continue his reign or get the boot. The Titans are seriously looking at Cutler and Vince Young.
They will draft a quarterback that can sit back, soak up and learn and be groomed to take over the team down the road. No way will Leinart end up in Nashville.:sad2:
They will draft a quarterback that can sit back, soak up and learn and be groomed to take over the team down the road. No way will Leinart end up in Nashville.:sad2:
What's with :sad2:? This thread more or less assumes that Vince Young is off to Texas and Bush goes to NO...or the other way around...whatever it's about a choice between taking ML at #3 or trading out and taking a shot at Cutler while picking up an extra pick along the way. I think ideally they would like to select VY and let McNair start...deal Volek out and retain Mauck at #2 on the depth chart. McNair's best chance to stay is the team taking Cultler in a draft position move. I don't think that Chow can pass on Leinart. I could see Volek starting until injured and the Mauk getting a shot until he looks bad (about 2 series worth...) Ultimately, after the bye sometime Leinart would start.elfinmagic53 said:
I don't really look as Adams as being the same man he's been in the past with staff...being only 28 years old my insight into it comes mostly from reading. I don't want to derail a young thread but I'm not so sure he has really got the same itchy trigger finger that he's had, especially when presented with multiple scenarios and stategy that Floyd and Jeff might bring to him for consultation. I don't think he is going to $hit where he eats in other words.
Also there is his age and how he might not like to alter the course of a decade old relationship because he doesn't feel up to getting his house back in order again. There is that coupled with the success of the 99/00 campaigns and the staying power of '02 '03... after all that past experience in Houston maybe he figures something has got to give. A new GM/HC DC/OC sure isn't going to fix it overnight and is way more of a gamble than anything that Reese and Fisher are talking about.
You really think that Fisher and Reese are walking lightly because they feel it is a frail, fragile bubble? I'm sure they are walking like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs...
SEC 330 BIPOLAR said:I always like Heath Shular in orange better than Peyton Manning.
I know that's off topic but since you talk about the Vols I need to drink my haterade for the day right there. I just love to hate on Peyton every chance I get because I'm a Peyton hater and a Vol fan...Shular was awesome.
What about the Chow factor? That's a good fit...
ML fall to us? What about VY? Texans take VY you are saying and NO takes Bush? Yikes! I don't know who is the better fit but if we end up with ML the BV era should begin and SM should be gone. I just happen to think that we will get VY and pay SM too much...
I'd be okay with Cutler but there is alot of risk there. He can get stolen once you trade out and then you end up taking DH, 'cause Brick and Hawk are long gone and the pooch is screwed...
Then you have to get rid of a RB...
I like the idea of comparing VY and JC...
Having trouble with all the abbreviations
ML - Leinart
VY - Vince Young
SM - Mcnair
BV ?
DH ?
JC - Jesus Christ?:lol: <g>
Billy Volek
DeAngelo Hall
Just Context? Jay Cutler is heaven sent now? Ahhh...
Who is the better fit is really a function of whether McNair is kept.
Value could be added all over the board if McNair doesn't stay.
I feel they may opt for BV or Billy Volek if Young is not in the picture.
I also think they could miss the boat trying to draft Cutler and end up taking a BPA. (that's best player available) i.e. (for example) DH. [RB(running back)] Deangelo Hall...:wink2:
DeAngelo Hall
Just Context? Jay Cutler is heaven sent now? Ahhh...
Who is the better fit is really a function of whether McNair is kept.
Value could be added all over the board if McNair doesn't stay.
I feel they may opt for BV or Billy Volek if Young is not in the picture.
I also think they could miss the boat trying to draft Cutler and end up taking a BPA. (that's best player available) i.e. (for example) DH. [RB(running back)] Deangelo Hall...:wink2:
bigtitan53279 said:
Yeah drafting DeAngelo Hall this year would be quite a feat.
I at least meant a RB! LOL!
That's a DB!
:ha:
point taken.
Still, doesn't anybody worry about a draft day nightmare if Cutler sails?
Then what? I'm not going to push the moot button but I think they would make M.L. the "fit" and draft him at #3 as opposed to moving down and anglin' for Cutler. There is the Chow factor.
That's a DB!
:ha:
point taken.
Still, doesn't anybody worry about a draft day nightmare if Cutler sails?
Then what? I'm not going to push the moot button but I think they would make M.L. the "fit" and draft him at #3 as opposed to moving down and anglin' for Cutler. There is the Chow factor.
I just went up there and looked at that post...Vigsted said:
That was really stupid on my part.
It looks like a big neon sign flashing "I'm a %$#&^@! MORON"
that's good stuff...:lol3:
I don't think there is a "better fit". It's just a question of who is better...
SEC 330 BIPOLAR said:
how much pull will he have is the question? Not much IMO. He had an offense that couldn't push their way out of a wet paper bag.
What past OC does Chow remind you of?
there could also be the "Kyle Boller and JP Losman Syndrome" while talking about cutler.
made a bad team decent. people say he never had great stats because he had inferior talent around him. had all the physical tools, but was mentally inconsistent. poor footwork.
made a bad team decent. people say he never had great stats because he had inferior talent around him. had all the physical tools, but was mentally inconsistent. poor footwork.
I'm not sure I agree
I think alot has to be said about a possible player fitting the profile of the team.
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I'm not sure I agree. You can't be any better than the team. You could be better at QB than the team is at their positions, but it won't show up on the score board. I think Shular could have put up some pretty good stats had he been drafted by a team like Dallas, (at that time), than by the Redskins. I don't think Gus Ferote was a better QB than Shular, but he fit the Redskins profile and has able to acheive something there. Shular threw alot of interceptions, his fault, but alot of on-target passes were dropped by bad receivers, not his fault but show up on his stats.Starkiller said:
I think alot has to be said about a possible player fitting the profile of the team.
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If your argument is that a QB will look better on a more talented team, then clearly I agree. But obviously that won't affect our pick.
As for Shuler, who is to say he wasn't just a bust? As mentioned elsewhere, tons of top college QBs from top teams don't do squat in the NFL.
Look, if we're picking at #3 we probably aren't going to be a great team anyway. I don't think there is much to "fit". Any QB we get will have the offense adjusted to fit his strengths.
As for Shuler, who is to say he wasn't just a bust? As mentioned elsewhere, tons of top college QBs from top teams don't do squat in the NFL.
Look, if we're picking at #3 we probably aren't going to be a great team anyway. I don't think there is much to "fit". Any QB we get will have the offense adjusted to fit his strengths.
I guess the one difference between Shular and whom ever we pick, is that Shular was thrown right into the fire from day one. If McNair stays here, that won't happen.
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Starkiller said:
I totally agree with your earlier post that we shouldn't take a guy like Lienart for fit. We should always take the best. The waters get a little more murky when looking at a guy like Young who is more of a running QB but the bottom line is if Leinart, Cutler and Young are all sitting there at #3 the one we should take (if we take any of them) is the one we really think is the best NFL QB.
I also agree that a guy like Shuler was simply a bust. Few of these high QB draft picks find a home on another NFL team even as solid backups after they bust for their original teams. That indicates to me they never had it to begin with.
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