Profootballtalk is reporting that the titans are at 102 million for next year? Can this possibly be right?
Starkiller?
Starkiller?
I'm not sure if $102 is entirely accurate, but certainly we're over.
But remember that it's all monopoly money. McNair isn't going to actually get his $50M bonus. Olson and Hopkins will not get their $5M bonuses (both probably get cut, though Hopkins could take a pay cut to stay).
Basically, the Titans aren't going to be gutting the team again to get under the cap. They may dump some high-priced players who haven't performed, but it's not going to be like last offseason.
But remember that it's all monopoly money. McNair isn't going to actually get his $50M bonus. Olson and Hopkins will not get their $5M bonuses (both probably get cut, though Hopkins could take a pay cut to stay).
Basically, the Titans aren't going to be gutting the team again to get under the cap. They may dump some high-priced players who haven't performed, but it's not going to be like last offseason.
If it is monopolly money I lost my gameboard last christmas. We could use the money to get Freeny, or even better, the whole Chicago´s D.
Who wants the dices?!
lol
JC-150 millions... and i drive a japanese small car
Who wants the dices?!
lol
JC-150 millions... and i drive a japanese small car
fair enough...
i had fogotten about mcnair's bonus coming due.
thanks as always to our resident capologist.
i had fogotten about mcnair's bonus coming due.
thanks as always to our resident capologist.
When it's all said and done, don't we expect to be something like 10 mil or more under the cap? So maybe we can take some more chances on some FA's.
As long as we learned our lesson and don't get back into this situation in 5 or so years...I actually have grown to like the "grow your own team" mentality we've taken on in the last few years. IMHO, the few expensive FA's we took on (Thigpin, Pickens, anyone?) weren't really all that helpful. Lance was good for a year, but eventually let go. I think maybe one decent FA and another good draft and we're back in the hunt.
And I don't think Freeney is going anywhere...
And I don't think Freeney is going anywhere...
Bobo said:
Probably, but that may also be before they decide which of their own free agents to sign and before the rookie pool allocation.
They won't be big players in free agency. If they're lucky, they can get another couple lower-priced vets help fill out the roster. Maybe they'll find another bargain like KVB (well...that's a best case scenario, but maybe they'll still find a bargain).
I also don't see much in the way of big moves in free agency. We aren't going to be contenders. And with the league CBA up in the air, the Titans might not want to invest too heavily into free agents. Either way, the team generally prefers to build through the draft rather than spend big on someone else's free agents.
Plus, assuming they re-sign KVB I'm not sure there will be too much left to spend. If they can't afford him, I expect they will go more after value picks, role players, and depth.
Plus, assuming they re-sign KVB I'm not sure there will be too much left to spend. If they can't afford him, I expect they will go more after value picks, role players, and depth.
I think we will be able to afford a good LB and a good OL plus KVB. The contracts that Kendrell Bell and Antonio Pierce signed last yr both counted around 2mil against the cap this yr because they have minimum base salaries and mod. signing bonuses. The numbers for the guards that got new contracts were similar. So by having them sign cap friendly deals we can afford a few guys. We all know that with the next CBA the cap is going to take a significant increase so why not go ahead and try to lock in a few good young FAs now with backloaded contracts. By the time the big portion of the contract is due the cap will be much higher. So I say spend the money on FAs this yr and give our young guys another yr before locking some of them up long term.
They are more likely to invest that money in their own younger players, though. Like, say....Jacob Bell or Eugene Amano (whose contracts are up after 2006, I think).
The backloading thing is all relevative. The cap may be higher after 2007 (assuming the uncapped year doesn't kill the golden goose) but it will also cost you more to re-up your own players (or sign more free agents) because market prices will go up accordingly.
So if you backload too much on contracts you sign now, you'll still be back in a situation where you have less to spend later.
The backloading thing is all relevative. The cap may be higher after 2007 (assuming the uncapped year doesn't kill the golden goose) but it will also cost you more to re-up your own players (or sign more free agents) because market prices will go up accordingly.
So if you backload too much on contracts you sign now, you'll still be back in a situation where you have less to spend later.
re do McNair's deal, Sirmon restructures or goes. Hopkins is cut and or retires, Bell takes over for Pillar or Olsen and one of those two starters is cut. Bingo, cap's fixed...
treat McNair the same as they did George. Offer a fair price and if he refuses let him go. No need to keep paying dead money on him
If we cut McNair, Hopkins, Olsen, Sirmon and LT we save over 27 million in cap money. We also let Tank, Hartwig and Kassel walk unless they are willing to play for the vet minimum. Except for McNair it looks like all these guys have underachieved this year and need to go anyway. McNair's best days are behind him.
If we cut all those guys at once we'll have the 1st pick in next year's draft.Soxcat said:
Were're already coming in at almost $10 million under the cap. Why go and cut all of our Vets again. For what? Draft picks?? How long do you plan on sucking?Soxcat said:
No, we're still over the cap. Just not nearly like we were in the past.
I think when it is all said and done we will be under cap... But I agree some pay cuts are going to be an order. Don't we have a few options when it comes to McNairs bonus and wouldn't he leave behind a cap charge? I would hate to lose our vets on an team that is full of novice?
rcarie said:
In reality the only one on that list that should be brought back is McNair at a drastically reduced salary.
Hopkins CAP total as it stands is 10 million next year. Olsen is 9 million. Sirmon is 5.5. LT is 2.3. McNair without changing his contract is at 29.
Thats almost 56 million in CAP money for players that are not playing real well. Even if we cut them we still only save 27 million. Why not cut our losses now, take the 27 million to fill in any gaps with FAs.
Where are we going to get the money to sign KVB? I would rather have him than any of these guys. We could cut Henry but we only save 1.5 million so I'm thinking he is worth the low CAP hit of 2.1 to have a quality RB signed through 2009 especially with Brown becoming a FA after next year.
Kassel, Tank and Hartwig are all FAs. Anyone feel like throwing alot of money their way? The only one on that list worth considering is Tank IF he plays like he did against Houston the last 3 games. Tank might be a decent value. Certainly Reynolds or a rookie or FA can play MLB and Hartwig has really stunk this year. I'm not sure I want him back at any price over the vet minimum and only because he can be a versatile backup.
Soxcat said:
BHOP will go, Olsen or Pillar will most likely be cut, McNair will rework his deal and Reese wont have the 50 million dollar bonus to worry about.
Resign Tank at the vet minumum(or close to it). We should be able to grab a center from one of the OL we have drafted over the past 2 years or there will be a couple of descent ones that will be FAs that we can sign. Kassel should be resigned only for the vet min-he's hurt all the time because he is always busting his butt
If you are McNair, do you take a huge cut to stay with a team who will have a second-year LT and other new guys up front? Add to that the issues surrounding the targets he has on offense and that the Titans don't look close to being a playoff team and probably won't be until '07.maximus said:
I don't know if he'd be willing to do it.
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