Do you think the coaches will work with Vince to correct this side style throwing motion? Or do you think they won't mess with what seems to work for him?
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/57542666.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE11A84179BC81DCA3
- Hopefully posting the link to this pic will keep me outta trouble :baghead:
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/57542666.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE11A84179BC81DCA3
- Hopefully posting the link to this pic will keep me outta trouble :baghead:
Probably a non-issue, because it's simpily what he knows and he's been so successful with it. His bigger issues is understanding the offense and reading the defense, not how he throws.
His throwing motion is unusual, but it is accurate, he doesnt have balls batted down, and he has a quick release. Why change it?
Yes, but the NFL is different than college in that matter - a lot of balls do get batted down, so that could become an issue down the road... but there are definitely bigger issues to worry about for now.
Despite what the slapdicks on TV are desperate for you to believe, the frequency of balls getting batted down is not dependent on your arm angle. NFL defensive linemen are usually 6'5". They can always get their hands up pretty high. More important is using your passing lanes and having a quick release.
For instance, Chris Simms has balls batted down in the NFL, but he had the exact same problem in college. And it aint from his lack of height or the proper arm angle.
For instance, Chris Simms has balls batted down in the NFL, but he had the exact same problem in college. And it aint from his lack of height or the proper arm angle.
As long as Vince is making the right reads and getting the ball out quickly and accurately I wouldn't mess too much with his delivery. Not like college DLs are all that much shorter anyway.
Didn't or does Warner have a side arm motion?
Rivers has the motion too, and so does Carr.
Rivers has the motion too, and so does Carr.
I like the pic of VY throwing and White in the background looking on.
Simms always had issues with batted balls because he has a bit of a slow wind-up to his throwing motion that gives away when he's throwing and the linemen are better able to react to it. Vince has a much quicker release than Simms had and almost never had balls batted down. I would not expect it to be a huge problem for him. But when a guy completes 65% of his passes like Vince did, you don't mess with his motion. Focus on footwork, leave the motion alone. Chow has already said in interviews that he will not try to change Vince's motion in any significant way.
I, too, feel that the whole sidearm-motion issue has been way overblown.
In a lot of cases, instead of going through the traditional wind-up-and-release sequence, Vince's throwing motion is little more than a flip of the wrist, giving defenders virtually no opportunity to time their jump or even get their hands up. Go back and watch him throw, and imagine yourself as a pass rusher trying to get to the ball. Generally speaking, by the time the defender recognizes the throw, it's already past him.
In a lot of cases, instead of going through the traditional wind-up-and-release sequence, Vince's throwing motion is little more than a flip of the wrist, giving defenders virtually no opportunity to time their jump or even get their hands up. Go back and watch him throw, and imagine yourself as a pass rusher trying to get to the ball. Generally speaking, by the time the defender recognizes the throw, it's already past him.
Toly said:
There is another problem, he might develop tennis elbow with his throwing motion and that's a pain in the butt to get rid of. :suspect: :stars:
Vince has said that the reason he has such a quick release is because of the side arm motion. BTW I seen a couple of times this last season that if his throwing motion was correct he would have had the ball batted down, but because of the sidearm motion he threw to the side of the pass rusher.
Lots of great QBs have had horrible mechanics the last of which was Bernie Kosar. I think Vince's running ability is going to scare the Dline too much to even put their hands up.
Lots of great QBs have had horrible mechanics the last of which was Bernie Kosar. I think Vince's running ability is going to scare the Dline too much to even put their hands up.
I think it was the Ohio State game where a blitzing LB or untouched DE was about to cream Vince and he just flicks the ball right underneath his outstreched arms, by the guys armpit. Just another one of those plays that you had to rewind and play in slow-mo and still end up saying "how in the hell did he do that".
Loved those pics of Vince and LenDale together. That's going to be a match made in heaven, and they already have a ton of respect for each other. LenDale's a hell of a talent and Vince is going to be a great influence and motivator for him (just like he was for a few 'tough cases' on the Texas team).
Loved those pics of Vince and LenDale together. That's going to be a match made in heaven, and they already have a ton of respect for each other. LenDale's a hell of a talent and Vince is going to be a great influence and motivator for him (just like he was for a few 'tough cases' on the Texas team).
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
