So people didn't see enough of VY to know that movement wasn't going to be an issue? I think it's dumb people cryed when Young didn't run the 40, but didn't when Leinart didn't run it. But lifes not fair. Yeah Leinart isn't a scrambling QB, but that doesn't matter. Will there be situations in the NFL where he has to scramble and run for the first?? Yes.
You really don't get the difference?
Young's selling point, his biggest asset, is his raw physical strength and talent, a huge part of which is his speed. His 40 time is one of the best ways to display that, even if you aren't thinking of him as a running QB, which he is no matter what anyone might try to say to spin it.
Lienart's selling point is his success. He's trying to be different from Vince Young, and downplaying his running. If he's saying it isn't important, isn't trying to sell himself on it, then there isn't a reason for him to run it.
With Vince, he has to show it off.
Young's selling point, his biggest asset, is his raw physical strength and talent, a huge part of which is his speed. His 40 time is one of the best ways to display that, even if you aren't thinking of him as a running QB, which he is no matter what anyone might try to say to spin it.
Lienart's selling point is his success. He's trying to be different from Vince Young, and downplaying his running. If he's saying it isn't important, isn't trying to sell himself on it, then there isn't a reason for him to run it.
With Vince, he has to show it off.
GoTitans3801 said:
Be real. Leinart didn't run because he couldn't post any time faster than Young's during his pre-workout practice.
Vince wasn't going to run but he did anyway.
I think the writing is on the wall- Leinart is the Titan FO's #1 QB.
Very true, lienart would have been much slower. The point I was trying to make was that he doesn't need to run because he's not trying to say he can run like Young.
What are you basing your "writing is on the wall" conclusion on?
What are you basing your "writing is on the wall" conclusion on?
Ok so therefore, since Leinart threw (which is his selling point along with success) and didn't run, then that means Young could not have thrown and everyone would be ok with it right??? I mean running is part of his selling point like you said, not throwing. So if it's ok Leinart doesn't show the parts that aren't his selling point, why does Young have to?
I am just trying to prove a point here. I'm not saying that I feel that Young didn't have to throw, because he def. needed to answer some questions which he did. What I'm saying is why can someone say that Leinart has already showed movement and they've seen enough to know it won't be an issue, when Young has undoubtedly shown that way more and more impressively.
I am just trying to prove a point here. I'm not saying that I feel that Young didn't have to throw, because he def. needed to answer some questions which he did. What I'm saying is why can someone say that Leinart has already showed movement and they've seen enough to know it won't be an issue, when Young has undoubtedly shown that way more and more impressively.
Leinart didn't run because he would have had a much slower time than Cutler and although it doesn't matter in the big scheme of things it could drop his stock if his time was dramatically slower. Without running he loses nothing.
theprizdfighter,
No, all QBs need to throw, that's ridiculous, as you are well aware. Running is not required of a QB, and on the rare occassions when Matt would have to run, his 40 time is not in the spotlight. However, Young will have to throw more than he will run (or he should). Teams are concerned about Young throwing, they don't care about Matt running. Soxcat had better analysis about why he didn't run than I would have been able to make. From the Teams watching him's standpoint, they don't care about him running.
No, all QBs need to throw, that's ridiculous, as you are well aware. Running is not required of a QB, and on the rare occassions when Matt would have to run, his 40 time is not in the spotlight. However, Young will have to throw more than he will run (or he should). Teams are concerned about Young throwing, they don't care about Matt running. Soxcat had better analysis about why he didn't run than I would have been able to make. From the Teams watching him's standpoint, they don't care about him running.
GoTitans3801 said:
The FO "locking" McNair out and forcing examination of the contract. It's a gamble to proceed in a confrontational manner. If he walks, then they have to be comfortable bringing in a ready QB. Floyd seemed to be "purring" more about Leinart despite his less impressive pro-day workout than he did about Cutler. This suggests to me, the FO is very comfortable with their "ready" QB options.
He can't walk. We can release him if he won't restructure, but we may very well be bluffing.
in this case tho i think mcnair is just being stingy, hes got more money than everyone on this board put together (unless someones a multi millionare here) but he doesnt need anymore money, its kinda like the pacman jones ordeal at christmas time, everyone on the team puts in 5,000 or something so that the janitors and kitchen workers can have a nice christmas, but pacman didnt do that because he was ONLY making 12 million a year that is when i lost all respect for him and not a fan of him anymore and i got the pacman info from a used to be titan jason matthews(hes a teacher at my school now)
Prizefighter...
I think it's dumb people cryed when Young didn't run the 40, but didn't when Leinart didn't run it.
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I think it is dumb to not know the difference between the 2 QBs. Nobody is drafting lienart for his running ability and young will be drafted high in good part because of his. You can't see that obvious distinction?
I think it's dumb people cryed when Young didn't run the 40, but didn't when Leinart didn't run it.
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I think it is dumb to not know the difference between the 2 QBs. Nobody is drafting lienart for his running ability and young will be drafted high in good part because of his. You can't see that obvious distinction?
i think the 40 shows more than just pure speed. i think it is a very good indicator for athletic ability. that's why i'm disappointed he didn't run.
i remember him saying " i played baseball in highschool, so i'm a better athlete than people think." then why not display that?
i remember him saying " i played baseball in highschool, so i'm a better athlete than people think." then why not display that?
i was watching a show that he was on and he said that hes running a 4.41 right now and that was a few weeks ago
Um, yeah...It's like the scene from Forrest Gump...Jenny cries, "Run Matthew, run!" and Leinart's leg brace magically pops off and he's off to a 4.41.
BiPolar, I'd like to see a picture of that please, if you can, with Leinart, that is.
BiPolar, I'd like to see a picture of that please, if you can, with Leinart, that is.
If you believe Leinart can run a 4.41 40, I've got a bridge to sell you. Do you think if he was faster than Young, he would hide that fact? Leinart is somewhere between 4.8 and 5.0...meaning, with our line, he might end up like Billy Volek....having DT's run him down from behind....and often injured. Strictly based on athletic ability ML is #3 out of 3....and if you took all the QB's in this draft, he is probably in the bottom half. That said, that does not necessarily mean he'll suck in the NFL. That is my personal opinion, though. Of the consensus top seven guys (Bush, Hawk, VY, ML, etc.), I'd take Matt last.
I said this before...in 1995, Reese's first draft, given a similar choice, he took McNair over Collins (another guy from a loaded team) using the logic that McNair could have done as well as Collins at Penn State, but Collins could not have torn it up at Alcorn St like Steve did...or something along those lines. The same can be (has been) said about both Young and Cutler....put them on USC and statistically as well as in the W-L%, they could have done as well as ML, while the inverse scenario is not very likely. The same exact 1995 dilema could present itself on April 29th around 12:30pm EST. I don't know about the rest of you, but I hope to see "deja vu all over again".
I said this before...in 1995, Reese's first draft, given a similar choice, he took McNair over Collins (another guy from a loaded team) using the logic that McNair could have done as well as Collins at Penn State, but Collins could not have torn it up at Alcorn St like Steve did...or something along those lines. The same can be (has been) said about both Young and Cutler....put them on USC and statistically as well as in the W-L%, they could have done as well as ML, while the inverse scenario is not very likely. The same exact 1995 dilema could present itself on April 29th around 12:30pm EST. I don't know about the rest of you, but I hope to see "deja vu all over again".
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