The Tennessean, 4-2-06. A short breakdown of the big 3 QBs by Jim Wyatt.
He says Leinart "lacks foot speed", and "isn't a good runner outside the pocket". Is that something a Titans QB needs? I think it is. McNair always found the need to take-it-on-the-lamb during every game, even when we had a good O-Line. I truely believe that Mannings poor outside the pocket running will be the Colts downfall. McNair could do everythng the situation asked for, pocket passer, throwing on the run, throwing outside the pocket, throwing deep and he could run the ball. Young looks more like a McNair copy than the other two.
About Young, he says, "Lacks ideal field awareness and has struggled reading complicated coverages". OUCH !!! And that observation was of a COLLEGE player, not an NFL player. In the NFL, that spells Picked-off. One year on the bench is not going to fix this. This is something he'll learn on the field.
Cutler, he says, "Fumbles more than occasionally...Sometimes eyeballs his primary receiver too much". Hummmmmm. An easy fix?
Of the three and their weaknesses, it sounds like Cutler will be easier to get ready to play NFL football, with Leinart coming in second.
He mentions 'leadership' only once, and gives that to Leinart.
The one word he says that sticks with me the most is, "Phenomenal", and he labels it to Young. But the one thing everyone says, one way or the other about Young, is "potential". Meaning: not yet, possibly in the furture.
I'm glad that I'll only be a spectator in the up and coming draft. I would hate to have to make this decision!!!
He says Leinart "lacks foot speed", and "isn't a good runner outside the pocket". Is that something a Titans QB needs? I think it is. McNair always found the need to take-it-on-the-lamb during every game, even when we had a good O-Line. I truely believe that Mannings poor outside the pocket running will be the Colts downfall. McNair could do everythng the situation asked for, pocket passer, throwing on the run, throwing outside the pocket, throwing deep and he could run the ball. Young looks more like a McNair copy than the other two.
About Young, he says, "Lacks ideal field awareness and has struggled reading complicated coverages". OUCH !!! And that observation was of a COLLEGE player, not an NFL player. In the NFL, that spells Picked-off. One year on the bench is not going to fix this. This is something he'll learn on the field.
Cutler, he says, "Fumbles more than occasionally...Sometimes eyeballs his primary receiver too much". Hummmmmm. An easy fix?
Of the three and their weaknesses, it sounds like Cutler will be easier to get ready to play NFL football, with Leinart coming in second.
He mentions 'leadership' only once, and gives that to Leinart.
The one word he says that sticks with me the most is, "Phenomenal", and he labels it to Young. But the one thing everyone says, one way or the other about Young, is "potential". Meaning: not yet, possibly in the furture.
I'm glad that I'll only be a spectator in the up and coming draft. I would hate to have to make this decision!!!
I'm more of a Leinart fan, injuries and all. Leinart has been in the eyes and minds of the NFL since his Junior year. The other two have not. Heisman trophy is nice. He's worked with Chow whom has made some great QBs in the past. I honestly believe he's the better of the three.
As I have said numerous times on this board, I got laughed at for mentioning Young's name early last season as a possible future NFL QB. He had one noteable game and now he's a first rounder. He's also the younger of the three. I'm still stuck on everyone saying that he has 'potential'. I don't want 'potential', I want proven skills. I'm not sold on the fact that Young could start after 1 year. I'm thinking atleast 2 years. Needless to say, I'm not a Young fan, but I hope he proves me wrong.
Cutler looks like he was made for the Titans. Give him the ball and watch him run for his life! But I'm still leaning to Leinart.
As I have said numerous times on this board, I got laughed at for mentioning Young's name early last season as a possible future NFL QB. He had one noteable game and now he's a first rounder. He's also the younger of the three. I'm still stuck on everyone saying that he has 'potential'. I don't want 'potential', I want proven skills. I'm not sold on the fact that Young could start after 1 year. I'm thinking atleast 2 years. Needless to say, I'm not a Young fan, but I hope he proves me wrong.
Cutler looks like he was made for the Titans. Give him the ball and watch him run for his life! But I'm still leaning to Leinart.
I'm going to be exstatic about whoever it is, but I'm glad I don't have to make the call...
Wow! You may have only seen one of his noteable games but please believe Vince has a catalouge of amazing plays on the best defenses in the NCAA
Pick Vince Young... don't mess up this one...bulluck4dMVP said:
when it's all said and done... pick :whoop: :yell2: Vince Young!!!
I think Cutler is OK. He's not my first choice but he is a fine qb.
I think Leinart will be gone and it will be a choice between Young and Cutler. I think we will end up taking Young. The only thing that is jamming that up is Steve's 25 million cap #... something absolutely positively must be done about that. We must retain Steve McNair. I feel that Steve is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face... In either case, Jay Cutler would make a great Titan... but it's very likely IMO, that the Titans will pass on him.
You're right, there's no guarantee that Leinart will be there at #3. To be truthful, until #2 is picked, we won't know who'll be there.
I'm not trying to start any fights,
nor am I trying to upset people or pick on anyone. These comments were made about Vince Young on or about October 29, 2005.
'NINE' said, "......I've never seen before a college QB who was so clearly destined for an NFL career as a WR".
'GLINKS' said, "If Young is foolish enough to come out next year, we should take him in the 2nd, then convert him to WR if need be".
'Soxcat' said, "Young is a great running QB but a marginal passer. He could develope into a desent passer but he would be a big risk as an early pick". I do agree with that comment.
'Maximus' said, "Fast, friends with McNair, nice arm but inaccurate".
I'm not picking on these guys, I agree with most of them.
I liked VY early on, but up against Leinart and Cutler, maybe he should have stayed in Texas for another year like GLINKS suggested. It's hard to sell me on this guy when the above comments were the norm prior to him playing for the National Championship. Nothing was posted or discussed prior to the announcement of that game (of drafting VY), now the bandwagon is full.
nor am I trying to upset people or pick on anyone. These comments were made about Vince Young on or about October 29, 2005.
'NINE' said, "......I've never seen before a college QB who was so clearly destined for an NFL career as a WR".
'GLINKS' said, "If Young is foolish enough to come out next year, we should take him in the 2nd, then convert him to WR if need be".
'Soxcat' said, "Young is a great running QB but a marginal passer. He could develope into a desent passer but he would be a big risk as an early pick". I do agree with that comment.
'Maximus' said, "Fast, friends with McNair, nice arm but inaccurate".
I'm not picking on these guys, I agree with most of them.
I liked VY early on, but up against Leinart and Cutler, maybe he should have stayed in Texas for another year like GLINKS suggested. It's hard to sell me on this guy when the above comments were the norm prior to him playing for the National Championship. Nothing was posted or discussed prior to the announcement of that game (of drafting VY), now the bandwagon is full.
hahahahahaha...
That was before we knew what we've come to learn.
Matt Leinart will be gone at #2...
It's a choice between Young and Cutler...
I didn't know jack about Young in October...
Most of those guys you have quoted would
rate him higher now than they rated him then.
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I would forget all about Young if we were really getting Bush...
I know I said draft him and trade him away... I lied.
I'd love me some Bush...
fitantitans said:
Sounds like Leinart laid an egg at the the pro day.
This clip suggested Leinart had just an "OK" day.
"As for Leinart? He displayed some athleticism by turning in a 37-inch vertical jump. He completed 36 of 45 passes by unofficial count, with three drops by his receivers. His accuracy was good, not great, and his arm strength was adequate. It appeared, at times, that he aimed the ball a bit too much and some balls sailed on him. Leinart conceded afterwards that he probably pressed a little.
"In situations like these," Leinart said, "I think you tend to overdo it. You know, you try to throw a ball too hard, and it goes high, or you try to be too fine with your passes. I think I started off too tight."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2394532
Go Vince Go
fitantitans said:
An offense that was stagnant with players like Chris Simms, Roy Williams, and Cedric Benson was unstoppable with.... only Vince Young. News flash: Texas was undefeated this year (and has 1 loss in 2 years, but I digress). That didn't happen in one game. Go back and watch some game film.
I can't believe you quoted people from this website as evidence that Young was inaccurate or a possible WR.
I'm all for opinions, so long as you look at the facts from a realistic perspective.
You mis-read my meaning.
As for Texas' record, they had a good <u>TEAM</u>. We are not thinking about drafting the entire team, just their QB.
What I am saying is that so many from this board are jumping on the wagon for VY when just a few months ago, they had nothing good to say or said nothing at all about him.Titans2008 said:
As for Texas' record, they had a good <u>TEAM</u>. We are not thinking about drafting the entire team, just their QB.
God NO!!! This thread should be the big 2...you know who I'm talking about.SEC 330 BIPOLAR said:
fitantitans, What is the deal with Cutler....made for the TITANS??? Where in the ____ do you get that from?
Excerpt from Mercury News:
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/14250364.htm
The Jets, picking fourth in the April 29 draft, could be in position to select the former Southern Cal star. And that would be just fine with Leinart.
"I love New York, I'm a fan of the city," Leinart told The News an hour after his workout, relaxing with friends at a burger joint a few blocks from campus. "It's out of my hands, but to have the possibility of playing for the New York Jets, it would be sweet. It would be cool.
"Broadway Joe (Namath) is the last big-time guy they've had, a star on and off the field," he continued. "I'm confident that I could be that kind of player."
OK, I see that.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/14250364.htm
The Jets, picking fourth in the April 29 draft, could be in position to select the former Southern Cal star. And that would be just fine with Leinart.
"I love New York, I'm a fan of the city," Leinart told The News an hour after his workout, relaxing with friends at a burger joint a few blocks from campus. "It's out of my hands, but to have the possibility of playing for the New York Jets, it would be sweet. It would be cool.
"Broadway Joe (Namath) is the last big-time guy they've had, a star on and off the field," he continued. "I'm confident that I could be that kind of player."
OK, I see that.
If it happens that way (Young to us at 3, Lienart at 4), at least we'll know that the front office really is sold on Young over Lienart. As long as both are available when we pick, I'll be excited because it means we get the guy we want.
The best case scenario for us is:
1. All three QBs are sitting there when we draft at #3.
2. We have Cutler rated higher than all of them or all three are close.
If that were the case we could entertain moving down a few spots and still being assured of getting our guy.
As far as all of you who are drooling over getting VY I still have reservations. Only because I don't see him breaking out for a couple of years (if he breaks out at all). That means we would have to keep McNair and Young both for the next 3 years which is a huge amount of $ at the QB postion. With Cutler or Leinart you can have one ready in their 2nd year IMO.
1. All three QBs are sitting there when we draft at #3.
2. We have Cutler rated higher than all of them or all three are close.
If that were the case we could entertain moving down a few spots and still being assured of getting our guy.
As far as all of you who are drooling over getting VY I still have reservations. Only because I don't see him breaking out for a couple of years (if he breaks out at all). That means we would have to keep McNair and Young both for the next 3 years which is a huge amount of $ at the QB postion. With Cutler or Leinart you can have one ready in their 2nd year IMO.
Soxcat said:
I agree with you regarding the trade down- that would be an awesome scenario. However, I don't buy in to the notion that Leinart or Cutler will be NFL ready significantly sooner than VY. Rookie standout QB's are rare and neither Leinart nor Cutler are (or have received pre-draft analysis) like Roethlisberger.
IMO, the best scenario would be for the titans to trade down and pick up VY and extend Steve's contract for 3 years. Let him stay as starter and have a good 2 year run with VY on standby in year 2 WHEN the injury bug bites and take over the starting role year 3 if he has earned it.
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