Kamikaz brought this up in another thread and I've been thinking more about this since Bulluck came out and made his statements about the Titans drafting for character.
Bulluck is a great athlete and good for a sound bite so the majority of the public and media like him. He's not a phyical presence though. Yes, he makes a lot of tackles but he's not knocking guys out (the Maddox hit was a fluke injury).
Sirmon is a smart, slow linebacker. Granted, he's coming off a major knee injury but he's not what the Titans need on the strongside. He isn't laying any wood either.
Kassell is a feel good story (undrafted free agent makes starter) that's supposed to be an all out physical player in practice. I don't see it in games though.
What the Titans need is a Joe Bowden type back again. He laid at least one guy out every game. Remembering back to Houston, those of you that saw it; the hit he put on Bettis and knocked him backwards into a reverse summersault and then stood over the top of him, took off his helmet and pounded his chest yelling at Bettis to look up at his face and remember who just hit him. He scared the hell out of Bettis.
Fisher coached teams have ALWAYS been known to be physical. Win or lose, if you played against them, you left with a bloody nose. This past year's team was disgraceful in that regard. Until the Titans go out and get some ARSE KICKERS, we'll see more of the same embarrassing crap on the field. Bulluck isn't the leader on defense that Eddie Robinson or Blaine Bishop was. He's simply not a physical presence that can demonstrate how to be an intimidator on the field.
If the Titans don't fix that problem, '07's draft will be another top 10 pick again and Reese and Fisher will be on the hot seat for sure...
Bulluck is a great athlete and good for a sound bite so the majority of the public and media like him. He's not a phyical presence though. Yes, he makes a lot of tackles but he's not knocking guys out (the Maddox hit was a fluke injury).
Sirmon is a smart, slow linebacker. Granted, he's coming off a major knee injury but he's not what the Titans need on the strongside. He isn't laying any wood either.
Kassell is a feel good story (undrafted free agent makes starter) that's supposed to be an all out physical player in practice. I don't see it in games though.
What the Titans need is a Joe Bowden type back again. He laid at least one guy out every game. Remembering back to Houston, those of you that saw it; the hit he put on Bettis and knocked him backwards into a reverse summersault and then stood over the top of him, took off his helmet and pounded his chest yelling at Bettis to look up at his face and remember who just hit him. He scared the hell out of Bettis.
Fisher coached teams have ALWAYS been known to be physical. Win or lose, if you played against them, you left with a bloody nose. This past year's team was disgraceful in that regard. Until the Titans go out and get some ARSE KICKERS, we'll see more of the same embarrassing crap on the field. Bulluck isn't the leader on defense that Eddie Robinson or Blaine Bishop was. He's simply not a physical presence that can demonstrate how to be an intimidator on the field.
If the Titans don't fix that problem, '07's draft will be another top 10 pick again and Reese and Fisher will be on the hot seat for sure...
OMG I've said the same damn thing about Bulluck I said that he's doesn't have the attitude. Nor is he physical enough I've said it in countless post but everybody else wanted to baby sit him. Talking about I was coming down too hard on him.
Nobody is scared of Bulluck or any of our LB's.
One reason why Bulluck doesn't go to a ProBowl is because he is not physical enough. A physical LB will 9x out 10 go to a Probowl before a finesse LB like Bulluck will.
Good example is Merriman going over Bulluck Merriman is a Physical presence.
Thats why need a A.J Hawk or who ever else is out there that is Physical at LB.
Nobody is scared of Bulluck or any of our LB's.
One reason why Bulluck doesn't go to a ProBowl is because he is not physical enough. A physical LB will 9x out 10 go to a Probowl before a finesse LB like Bulluck will.
Good example is Merriman going over Bulluck Merriman is a Physical presence.
Thats why need a A.J Hawk or who ever else is out there that is Physical at LB.
CT, no way Reese takes Hawk at #3. I agree he'd be a major facelift and attitude adjustment for the defense but #3 for a linebacker would almost be taboo for Reese.
AJ Hawk - 2 sacks of Brady Quinn, his girlfriend's brother.
I think the wood is all built up inside of him...:grrr:
I think the wood is all built up inside of him...:grrr:
KB is a finess linebacker who chases plays downfield. You rarely see him sticking it up in the hole and blowing the play up. Thatsw why we need a physical presence in the middle who ccan run the field ala a Urlacher.
Agree. KB body type always reminds me of an over size safety instead of LB.
Fisher's team got that reputation as a knock you in the mouth team based on the play of Bowden, Bishop and the pre 2000 Titans/Oilers. Since Bishop retired, I cannot recall one defensive player that brings the wood on every play.
Fisher's team got that reputation as a knock you in the mouth team based on the play of Bowden, Bishop and the pre 2000 Titans/Oilers. Since Bishop retired, I cannot recall one defensive player that brings the wood on every play.
Haynesworth would be closest, but not really.
Maybe next year huh?
Maybe next year huh?
Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry Well Said
I agree, we need some dominant players in the middle of the defense. If Hawk's the guy, let's get him. But I'd rather trade down and get a solid linebacker and maybe some help in other areas.
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Bulluck doesn't make it because he is simply not physical enough.Bulluck said:
Listen You can go out and make 200tckles and a guy can make 100tackles but if he made big hits and was a presence. He is going to go over you even if you made 100 more tackles his presence and knack for big hits will put him over.
Can you name 1 Finesse LB who made it to a ProBowl and i'm not talking as an alternate.
There is not 1 Finesse LB in the Hall of Fame Urlacher rarely makes big hits but he is a presence that can'tbe denied.
Did you not see Hawk today early on he was getting blocked but as the game progressed he showed why he was a presence. He showed why ND game plan was to get a Hat on him and #51.
Guys like him are like Throwback backers in terms of presence and attitude. The guy was hyped and nasty straight nasty.
Its not his lack of being physical that leaves him out (which I agree with, dont let my name fool you I criticize him as much as the next guy). But why did a guy like Derrick Brooks get in so much?
Our LB is sitting at OHIO st right now...dont pass on a good thing!
Name me a dominant physical OLB who doesn't get burned.
Bulluck is rock solid at OLB. And he does lay wood when offenses are stupid enough to take it outside toward him. It doesn't happen often.
He's not a pro-bowl pick because the Titans suck. The pro-bowl selection is a kangaroo court anyway. What's the excuse for leaving KVB at home?
Bulluck is rock solid at OLB. And he does lay wood when offenses are stupid enough to take it outside toward him. It doesn't happen often.
He's not a pro-bowl pick because the Titans suck. The pro-bowl selection is a kangaroo court anyway. What's the excuse for leaving KVB at home?
Are you kidding me?!?!? Theres no rule that you have to hit hard to make the pro bowl. He was left off because his team didnt do well. He was first in fan voting, so if you are saying he was left off because people didnt see him have big, bruising hits, then you're wrong. There is nothing wrong with a finesse player. Bulluck is the last titans player you should be bashing.
I could compare him to Tim Duncan, who they call Mr. Fundamental. He never really does anything real flashy, like a 360 turnaround swing dunk or anything, but he gets the basket the easiest way.
Yet, because we have that one finesse player, we need a player who could strike fear into other players, like an AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk runs a 4.5 too, so he is really the whole package.
I was thinking, how about draft Hawk in the first, and LenDale White in the second. I just think we need a safety more than a rb at this point. It all depends what happend with henry i guess...
I could compare him to Tim Duncan, who they call Mr. Fundamental. He never really does anything real flashy, like a 360 turnaround swing dunk or anything, but he gets the basket the easiest way.
Yet, because we have that one finesse player, we need a player who could strike fear into other players, like an AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk runs a 4.5 too, so he is really the whole package.
I was thinking, how about draft Hawk in the first, and LenDale White in the second. I just think we need a safety more than a rb at this point. It all depends what happend with henry i guess...
I don't know much about AJ Hawk but I'm all for us drafting attitude - perhaps not as much as Pacman - but toughness and pride..
These players drafted now are going to be the cornerstone of the franchise going forward if all works out well .. we have to get back to being hard to play against, intimidating.. to the days when teams would look at the schedule and think, jeez.. the Titans this week..
Anyone remember The Man in Black, and House of Pain?? Then Blaine set the tone.. now who? Can Fisher bring this back? It worries me..
These players drafted now are going to be the cornerstone of the franchise going forward if all works out well .. we have to get back to being hard to play against, intimidating.. to the days when teams would look at the schedule and think, jeez.. the Titans this week..
Anyone remember The Man in Black, and House of Pain?? Then Blaine set the tone.. now who? Can Fisher bring this back? It worries me..
It's football everyone is going to get burnt it's not possible to play DB or LB without getting burnt.Riverman said:
I seen Shawne Merriman lay more wood in one game then I have seen
Bulluck lay in years. I've seen Lewis, Brooks, Brooking,Arrington, Edwards just to name a few lay wood when the play wasn't to their side or up the middle.
Bulluck simply isn't hardnosed he's finesse anybody can see that. I'm not the only who can see that he isn't a physical presence.
It's just the fact that you guys don't like it when someone talks about a guy like Bulluck.
Listen if you have a LB that made 200tckles and another who made 100 but the one who made 100. Had the bigger hits that ended up on SportsCenter.THE53 said:
Who do you think is going to get the Fan Vote????
When you think of a LB you think of them as mean, nasty hard hitters. Why is it that when you see clips of the greatest LB's ever they always show the hard hits?
REGARDLESS OF COVERAGE SKILLS, WHAT ARE LB'S KNOW FOR? END OF ARGUMENT
To Bulluck Derrick Brooks is about the same weight as Bulluck but they are totally different. Brooks will light you up Brooks is physical thing is he can cover well also and pick passes off like Bulluck. Brooks is a presence Bulluck is not
CriticalTheory said:
Although I agree with you that this team needs a lot of nastyness to even be considered a force, I disagree with you as far as Keith not deserving to go to the pro-bowl.
You asked for some finesse pro-bowl LB's? I give you Donnie Edwards, Jullian Peterson, Cato June, Jamir Miller, Jesse Armstead, and our own Keith.
In this day and age of Football there is a big need for athletic LB's like Keith to cover TE's and drop back in zone and still get to the ball carrier if needed.
With that said we need an intimidator on this team whether thats a safety or a LB. We need some athletes.
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