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GoTitans3801 said:
Starkiller,
Once again, you're saying the coached have given up on Volek. Why do we think that? It sure sounds like it makes a strong point, but they haven't said anything like that. What if Collins is an insurance policy, and Billy comes out as the starter on sunday, as had been planned all along? Why is that theory constantly ignored?
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It is blatantly obvious. If they weren't ready to give up on Volek, there's no way they'd bother to bring in Kerry Collins and pay him $2M.

Fisher has already said that Vince Young is the #2 QB. That leaves either Volek or Collins as the #3 QB. There is no way they pay Collins that kind of money to be the #3 QB.
 
Young is number 2, they're giving him some packages. But if Volek OR Collins goes down this sunday, wouldn't you agree that the other will start the next week? I think this is merely an insurance move. It's a lot of money at the QB position, but for this year I think it's necessary, and it makes sense than the coaches "giving up" on Volek at this last minute. You'd think they would have known if he couldn't handle it. If they wanted Collins as a starter, they should have brought him in earlier, much earlier. Maybe I'm wrong, but I really hope I'm not wrong, because that shows a remarkable lack of planning by our FO.
 
You are assuming that Volek will even be on the roster on Sunday.

As for Collins, they have probably been talking to him about coming in for months based on the rumors. Just because they hadn't agreed on anything before doesn't mean they had faith in Volek.
 
Of course I'm assuming he will be! We've been told they haven't had any offers by Fisher. He might be traded, it's even within the realm of possibility that he'll be cut. But I think it's more likely than not that he's on the roster on Sunday.

As I've said, we don't have ANY public confirmation from the team about not having confidence in Volek, or about Collins starting, so it makes it hard to guess what's going to happen. My point is that everyone is assuming that Collins is brought in to be the starter because bringing him in means they have no faith in Volek. All I'm trying to say is that it seems equally, if not more reasonable, to presume that Collins is really just being brought in as insurance. The team said a few weeks ago that they had confidence in Billy and weren't bringing in a vet to start. Surely their confidence would have been eroded by then? Because they didn't do this until the last minute, it seems more likely that he won't start. If he does, it's a sign of desperation, and I'm choosing to say that I don't think the coaching staff is swinging on desperate moves at this point. Volek didn't have a great preseason, but he didn't "suck" either. See Soxcat's post on another thread about the position he's been in v. performance. I just think Billy's been assumed to be out of the game, and that's a big assumption. Someone please explain why my explanation isn't reasonable.

I certainly may be wrong, but I don't think we have better evidence for either scenario at the moment.
 
GoTitans3801 said:
Young is number 2, they're giving him some packages. But if Volek OR Collins goes down this sunday, wouldn't you agree that the other will start the next week? I think this is merely an insurance move. It's a lot of money at the QB position, but for this year I think it's necessary, and it makes sense than the coaches "giving up" on Volek at this last minute. You'd think they would have known if he couldn't handle it. If they wanted Collins as a starter, they should have brought him in earlier, much earlier. Maybe I'm wrong, but I really hope I'm not wrong, because that shows a remarkable lack of planning by our FO.
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I think they wanted Volek to cut it and be the starter and they were keeping Collins in the wings or at least on speed dial. When their fear that Volek wouldn't pan out materialized they went to plan B, which was to bring Collins in. I think Collins has been quietly waiting for the Titans to call so he could have one last dance. I also think that the coaches felt they didn't have the time for Volek to learn how to be a winner. I know they want to get Vince Young in there as soon as they can do it and feel comfortable. They just want Collins to play and keep us from going 0-6. Maybe the better qb to have aroung Young is one that has done all the NCAA stuff top notch with awards and junk, has been to the SB... A guy who can still play, even if he's not all that great... sorta like when people said that McNair should waste what's left of his career and mentor Vince Young.
 
Gunny said:
For QB ratings, yes it is presumptious and unbalanced.
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I'll have to side with Gunny on this one. After all it is presumptuous to assume Volek could maintain a 85+ QB rating if he had over 100 starts or to even presume he could take his team to more than 3 wining seasons out of 11.

However, with Collins track record we do know without a shadow of doubt that with his 145 or so starts and 11 years of falling far short of expectations that Collins without question is nothing more than a 73 rated QB which could give him the distinction, if he gets the start, as one of the lowest rated starting QBs on the field week in and week out in the NFL. That much we know for sure. Go KC!!!.
 
Ewker said:
with Voleks roster bonus (if he is here Sunday) what are they paying him to be a #3.
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I don't believe it's a roster bonus he's due on Sunday. Since he's a veteran with a certain number of years, his entire salary for the year ($1M) is guaranteed if he is on the roster for the first game of the season. So they'd be paying him $1M to be #3. But this is not a typical QB depth chart. VY is only second among the three because he'll be used as sort of a specialist (which you can't do with the emergency QB until the 4th quarter, by rule). Because he is listed as #2 on game day, he would have to finish the game if the starter is injured. But if there is an injury that knocks #1 out prior to the game, then #3 would most likely become #1 with VY still #2. So if Volek is not starting, you could really view him as a #1B, not a #3. So you essentially have co-starters in Collins and Volek for a total of $3M. That doesn't seem so bad overall.
 
I am with 3801 and Titan89 at this point. I have really seen nothing to confirm the "Volek is over" position. He may be and I can see why someone would theorize that but to be so adamant when other theories are also reasonable and there is no way yet to comfirm seems a bit foolish. I think Billy will start the game. Maybe I am wrong but I think there is a good chance at this point.
 
adamwinn51 said:
I am with 3801 and Titan89 at this point. I have really seen nothing to confirm the "Volek is over" position. I think Billy will start the game.
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http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?t=21401

have you seen this ?:rolleyes:

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or this? http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?t=21429


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adamwinn51 said:
I am with 3801 and Titan89 at this point.
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I wasn't suggesting at all that Volek will start. I think it's been clear that Collins will be the guy. I was just saying that Collins will start as long as he can go each week. If he ever can't start a game, then Volek will get the start if he hasn't been traded yet. Collins and VY don't have to both go down for Volek to get back in the driver's seat. He's not in a typical #3 position, so it's not fair to say the Titans are paying $1M for a #3 QB. It's a $1M insurance policy to keep from having to start VY before he's ready. Is that too much? Maybe, but it's not just $1M for a #3.
 
tntitan89 said:
I wasn't suggesting at all that Volek will start. I think it's been clear that Collins will be the guy. I was just saying that Collins will start as long as he can go each week. If he ever can't start a game, then Volek will get the start if he hasn't been traded yet. Collins and VY don't have to both go down for Volek to get back in the driver's seat. He's not in a typical #3 position, so it's not fair to say the Titans are paying $1M for a #3 QB. It's a $1M insurance policy to keep from having to start VY before he's ready. Is that too much? Maybe, but it's not just $1M for a #3.
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According to Nashville's Channel 5 sports last night.... VY is the #2 and Volek has been demoted to the number 3 spot due to his work ethic and attitude. I hightly doubt Billy will start over Young in any sutuation from this point on. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't even on the team by tomorrow's game.
 
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