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Comparisons...

I don't like questionaire's like this Vigsted (no offense) because depending on how you match up players, we can get greatly different answers.

A better comparison would be comparing our core of defensive players to their core...

They have 2 good DL (Harris and Ogunleye), 1 dominant LB (Urlacher), 2 good CB's (Vasher and Tillman) and a good S (Brown). As for the rest of their D, they vary from slightly below avg (or limited ability) to above avg.

We have 2 good to dominant DL (KVB and Haynesworth), 2 good to dominant LB's (Thornton and Bulluck), 1 good CB (Pacman), and 1 good S (Brown). The rest of our guys are avg or better I'd say.

To give you a better perspective on the current talent...the Bears defense last year was #1 in scoring and #1 in avg yards per play. I'd say we have more than enough talent to be in the top 10 which is why nothing less than middle of the pack (AT A MINIMUM) is required.

Gut


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ok, some people are arguing that it's a lack of talent, so I've devised a little questionnaire to try to find out:

1) Is A. Brown better than K. Vanden Bosch?
2) Is I. Scott better than the R. Starks?
3) Is T. Harris better than A. Haynesworth?
4) Is A. Ogunleye better than Odom/Laboy/Schobel (pick 1)?
5) Is H. Hillenmeyer better than D. Thornton?
6) Is B. Urlacher better than P. Sirmon?
7) Is L. Briggs better than K. Bulluck?
8) Is C. Tillman better than A. Jones?
9) Is M. Brown better than L. Thompson?
10) Is C. Harris better than C. Hope?
11) Is N. Vasher better than R. Hill?

If you answered yes to 100% of these questions, then yes we have a lack of talent.
If you answered yes to 75% of these questions, then we still need some key players.
If you answered yes to 50% or less of these questions, then we do not have a lack of talent.

Personally I answered yes to 4 of them and obviously I believe we are quite talented on defence.
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As I just pointed out, we have as much talent (currently) as the number 1 defense from last year. Barring injuries, we should almost be able to sleepwalk our way to middle of the pack unless we have a real coaching problem....or someone disgrees with my player assessments.

While we have only a couple of new starters and they are both GOOD, it shouldn't take too long to gel - which is why I'm not demanding a top 10 finish...yet!

Gut
 
Gut said:
I don't like questionaire's like this Vigsted (no offense) because depending on how you match up players, we can get greatly different answers.
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The idea was simply to get people to look at individual players on the Bears defence and our defence and ask themselves, are they really, individually (significantly) better than us. And I think the answer is no.
 
Gut said:
I don't like questionaire's like this Vigsted (no offense) because depending on how you match up players, we can get greatly different answers.

A better comparison would be comparing our core of defensive players to their core...

They have 2 good DL (Harris and Ogunleye), 1 dominant LB (Urlacher), 2 good CB's (Vasher and Tillman) and a good S (Brown). As for the rest of their D, they vary from slightly below avg (or limited ability) to above avg.

We have 2 good to dominant DL (KVB and Haynesworth), 2 good to dominant LB's (Thornton and Bulluck), 1 good CB (Pacman), and 1 good S (Brown). The rest of our guys are avg or better I'd say.

To give you a better perspective on the current talent...the Bears defense last year was #1 in scoring and #1 in avg yards per play. I'd say we have more than enough talent to be in the top 10 which is why nothing less than middle of the pack (AT A MINIMUM) is required.

Gut
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Their core of defensive players also included, Briggs, Alex Brown, and Ian Scott who are all three very solid players. I dont quite think that Starks and Laboy match up to them at this point. Thornton is probably close to Briggs though.
 
Core doesn't equal solid...

You don't build a team around solid players...you build it around core players.

Briggs, Brown and Scott are not core players IMO.

Gut

dg1979us said:
Their core of defensive players also included, Briggs, Alex Brown, and Ian Scott who are all three very solid players. I dont quite think that Starks and Laboy match up to them at this point. Thornton is probably close to Briggs though.
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