Wow, ever so intelligent. Makes me barf. I mean, he has to get at least ten sacks? What if he just gets I don't know, 25 pressures , forces 3 fumbles, and helps give the Texans a legitmate run defense. It's too hard to evaluate the play of a de and then try to compare that to a rb.
IMO anything short of a KVB year last year would be a dissapointment. Still, he is a rookie. We will not know for a few years if they made the right decision.
It's just hard to compare him to KVB. Although it would be a better comparison than comparing him to Bush. Peppers, Freeney, Freak, those guys all out performed expectations in their first years. And none of them went #1 overall. All three of them were more well known than Williams coming out of school. I totally agree with the assesment that it will take us a while to know. I just think the enormous expectations placed on Williams will make whatever he does on the field seem like a let down. I don't think he will be a bust I just don't seem him being more dominant than the three guys I mentioned.
People don't want to hear it but the pick makes sense. They didn't need Reggie Bush. Maybe they should have traded down, but whatever. That's another topic.
People don't want to hear it but the pick makes sense. They didn't need Reggie Bush. Maybe they should have traded down, but whatever. That's another topic.
He is far from a finished product from what I've seen & read. His hand fighting skills are weak so he keeps getting stood up & pushed around. I can't see him improving this a lot during the regular season but he's definately a heck of physical specimen. Who knows long term.
I agree, I never thought it was a bad pick for them. Could have done a few other things instead of taking him first but that's history.MadAboutMcNair said:
With DD hurt all pre-season that just adds to the fire. In my opinion I don't think Bush can be a 20-25carry a game guy in the NFL. He's electrifying, but I see him more splitting out to draw people away from the line. Mario can cause havok in the backfield and even if it's just getting to the QB after a throw and getting pressure on the QB, that can mess up their rythme.
MadAboutMcNair said:
You are right, Williams will not meet expectation no matter how well he plays.
Using the KVB example was to illustrate a solid, pro-bowl level type year. If a the guy can reproduce that type of production year in and year out he will have fulfilled all anyone could reasonably expect.
If Williams is only as good as the three you mentioned the Texans should breath a sigh of relief. Thats about all they could hope for to begin with.
It is entirely possible he could be much worse.
Those that disaggree with me, here's my response:
-Mario Williams was a stupid pick. It doesn't matter if they don't need a running back, EVERYONE needs a superstar. If Bush doesn't become great, then i'm wrong. My argument is, admittedly, speculation that doesn't hold up if Bush falters. However, if Reggie Bush reaches full potential, then he will be a far better, far more important, and far more remembered player than Mario Williams, EVEN IF Mario reaches his full potential as well.
-They could've drafted Bush and traded Davis for a defensive player. Reggie Bush would simply be a bigger piece of the "Make the Texans better" puzzle than Mario.
-If Mario Williams doesn't sack the QB, then he is a failure. I put up the number 10 because if he fails to get a sack every 2 games, then he's not doing much for their pass defense. He was a number 1 pick, and it was based on his athleticism. He was drafted to be a playmaker. If he doesn't make plays, he hasn't done his job.
Overall, Mario just has too many spots where he can fail, while Reggie Bush could break open any game at any time, even if he's having a bad game. Would you guys really have drafted Mario Williams over Reggie Bush?
-Mario Williams was a stupid pick. It doesn't matter if they don't need a running back, EVERYONE needs a superstar. If Bush doesn't become great, then i'm wrong. My argument is, admittedly, speculation that doesn't hold up if Bush falters. However, if Reggie Bush reaches full potential, then he will be a far better, far more important, and far more remembered player than Mario Williams, EVEN IF Mario reaches his full potential as well.
-They could've drafted Bush and traded Davis for a defensive player. Reggie Bush would simply be a bigger piece of the "Make the Texans better" puzzle than Mario.
-If Mario Williams doesn't sack the QB, then he is a failure. I put up the number 10 because if he fails to get a sack every 2 games, then he's not doing much for their pass defense. He was a number 1 pick, and it was based on his athleticism. He was drafted to be a playmaker. If he doesn't make plays, he hasn't done his job.
Overall, Mario just has too many spots where he can fail, while Reggie Bush could break open any game at any time, even if he's having a bad game. Would you guys really have drafted Mario Williams over Reggie Bush?
Swing
Looking in on the Texans from the outside you make a good arguement.
However what if we're in a similar high draft spot next yr & a Bush type of star player was available & we have other needs. I'd rather we take a need OL pick than the stud.
IMO the mistake the Texans made was using the No:1 on him when they could probaly have got him for a lower pick.
Looking in on the Texans from the outside you make a good arguement.
However what if we're in a similar high draft spot next yr & a Bush type of star player was available & we have other needs. I'd rather we take a need OL pick than the stud.
IMO the mistake the Texans made was using the No:1 on him when they could probaly have got him for a lower pick.
Mario Williams will always have a chip on his shoulder. If he doesn't put up some amazing numbers, people will label him a bust, even if his numbers are decent. They compared Mario over Reggie to Sam Bowie over Jordan.
Crash Override said:
Mario Williams DOESN'T have a chip on his shoulder, thats his problem. His work-ethic. He's a workout warrior who posted 14 sacks, but 6 or something of em came against I-AA opposition.
I agree with Swing, they're not missing out on a running back. They are missing out on a superstar than can play at multiple positions and make huge plays. If it were us in that high draft pick scenario like Childress says than I don't think we would pick him. But that's only because we already have solid WR's, a good returner, and plenty of other RB's. Who did the Texans have? Andre? Domanick? ...um whoever it is they have returning?
Stupid pick, a guy that can score on any given play would be more helpful than a DE.
Stupid pick, a guy that can score on any given play would be more helpful than a DE.
Now what if the Texans picked up a running back in a later round that ends up have multiple 1100 yard seasons and Bush barely out shines him.
In our current system we will be starting a rookie RB. A rookie RB that did better in preseason than Bush did. Why don't we wait and see if he holds his own with Bush before Y'all worry about us.
In our current system we will be starting a rookie RB. A rookie RB that did better in preseason than Bush did. Why don't we wait and see if he holds his own with Bush before Y'all worry about us.
SEC 330 BIPOLAR said:
I think even the Colts fans would worry about Bush.
Yes, I am sure they would. And if Bush lives up to the hype most other teams will also. I didn't say anything about either being worried about Bush or not being worried about Bush.
Snookus, I don't remember the KR's name for the Texans, but I'm sure Overall could tell you who he is. All I do remember is that he was a pro bowler. So the Texans two probowlers (Mr. KR, and Johnson), and a former probowler (Moulds) a solid TE (can't remember the name), and DD who signed an extension and should play well for the Texans. On D they have Robaire (who was better when he played here) and Robinson.
They didn't need Reggie Bush. They needed a whole new defense.
Trading down was the move to make I think. But that isn't what they did, they took the best Dlineman in the draft. Good move? Maybe it was. It's logical not flashy.
They didn't need Reggie Bush. They needed a whole new defense.
Trading down was the move to make I think. But that isn't what they did, they took the best Dlineman in the draft. Good move? Maybe it was. It's logical not flashy.
DD is out for the season.
Overalls - Are you talking Wali Lundy as your starter this season?
Overalls - Are you talking Wali Lundy as your starter this season?
Gunny said:
Yes. He will get more yards that whoever the Titans name as their starter. Lundy will have atleast 100 more yards. With our 2nd RB getting a healthy number of carries.
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