http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2013/4/13/4221498/recent-history-lesson-guards-taken-in-round-one
A really good read analyzing all G's taken early recently. Basically, their success rate is a 100% and with our top pick its time to hit a slam dunk. As many of you said, it's a boring pick but I think that's what we need tbh...
Prior to reading this article, I was very open to the idea of going after a DE/DT since we added some OL help during FA. But now, I think I'm back to wanting Chance/Coop....
These are the G's taken early the article talks about - 2005: Logan Mankins, Patriots2006: Davin Joseph, Buccaneers2007: Ben Grubbs, Saints (via Ravens)2008: Branden Albert, Chiefs2010: Mike Iupati, 49ers2011: Danny Watkins, Eagles James Carpenter, Seahawks2012: David DeCastro, Steelers Kevin Zeitler, Bengals
Then again, I know there are a lot of G's to be had in the 2nd, so perhaps it would be wise to target D help with #1 and get a play-maker...
In Rust I trust...
A really good read analyzing all G's taken early recently. Basically, their success rate is a 100% and with our top pick its time to hit a slam dunk. As many of you said, it's a boring pick but I think that's what we need tbh...
Prior to reading this article, I was very open to the idea of going after a DE/DT since we added some OL help during FA. But now, I think I'm back to wanting Chance/Coop....
These are the G's taken early the article talks about - 2005: Logan Mankins, Patriots2006: Davin Joseph, Buccaneers2007: Ben Grubbs, Saints (via Ravens)2008: Branden Albert, Chiefs2010: Mike Iupati, 49ers2011: Danny Watkins, Eagles James Carpenter, Seahawks2012: David DeCastro, Steelers Kevin Zeitler, Bengals
Then again, I know there are a lot of G's to be had in the 2nd, so perhaps it would be wise to target D help with #1 and get a play-maker...
In Rust I trust...
Lowest risk pick in a draft.
While other guys people are talking about us taking are very high risk guys. Ansah, Star are not can't miss prospects. Mingo and Jarvis Jones certainly are not.
While other guys people are talking about us taking are very high risk guys. Ansah, Star are not can't miss prospects. Mingo and Jarvis Jones certainly are not.
I want Patton in the 2nd so that pretty much means we need to go G in the 1st. Rather have Warmack, but I would be just fine with Cooper. Otherwise if the scouts really like a 3rd round guy like Winters or Schwenke I would go Star, Patton, and Winters/Schwenke. So pretty much what I'm saying is I have no idea, but I really want Patton.
I think we in great shape to get BPA and meet needs. I think Warmack, Cooper and Warford are all 3 locks at OG. I don't mind trading back if we're offered because the risk we'd lose one of those 3 is small and the extra pick allows us even more options to again get BPA and need. I do think, however, we need to use the 1st round pick on OG.
I'm ok with Warmack at 10, love the idea trading down to 15-22 and getting Warmack or Cooper, and then have extra mid- late 2nd to possibly use to trade back into late 1st, move up in 2nd, or pick up additional need/BPA. I the FO did really well this year in FA to position us better.
I'm ok with Warmack at 10, love the idea trading down to 15-22 and getting Warmack or Cooper, and then have extra mid- late 2nd to possibly use to trade back into late 1st, move up in 2nd, or pick up additional need/BPA. I the FO did really well this year in FA to position us better.
I want the following players in the first 3 rounds. Obviously depending on what we do in the 1st round:
Warmack
Hunter
Trufant
Rhodes
Demontrae Moore
Cyprien
Cooper
Warford
Patton
Carradine
Elam
Woods
Some combination of 2 or 3 of those players with our first 3 picks would be outstanding, imo.
Warmack
Hunter
Trufant
Rhodes
Demontrae Moore
Cyprien
Cooper
Warford
Patton
Carradine
Elam
Woods
Some combination of 2 or 3 of those players with our first 3 picks would be outstanding, imo.
I really don't think a lot of teams will be trading up in the first round. I think the really interesting things will go down in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds. There is no top-tier talent right now in the first; however, there are always stupid teams that reach for mediocre talent...I just don't think many will THIS year.
I think we should trade down a few spots and get the best player available on the board. That'll be Cooper or Warmack. Stockpiling a few picks in the second could go further than one first round pick (unless it's Warmack or Cooper).
I think we should trade down a few spots and get the best player available on the board. That'll be Cooper or Warmack. Stockpiling a few picks in the second could go further than one first round pick (unless it's Warmack or Cooper).
The drop off from Warmack at 10 to Warford at 40 is minimal. But the drop off from someone like Star, Ansah, or Jordan is much bigger.
Wouldn't Star, Ansah, Jordan in the 1st and then Warford in the 2nd seem so much better than say Warmack or Cooper in the 1st and Okafor or Montgomery in the 2nd?
Wouldn't Star, Ansah, Jordan in the 1st and then Warford in the 2nd seem so much better than say Warmack or Cooper in the 1st and Okafor or Montgomery in the 2nd?
I think people are really underestimating the drop off between Warmack/Cooper and the other G prospects. Scouts are good at their job, the only other G even somewhat in the discussion is Warford. All of these LB's and pass rushers have huge question marks. We also have more than adequate guys playing those positions. The top two guards are can't miss prospects at a position of need. I know many of you have but I haven't forgotten last season, I won't be distracted from the task at hand. Take the Guard in the first, then proceed to do whatever the hell you want for the rest of this draft and for the next 3 drafts. Take all the flashy WRs, DEs, LBs, and CBs you want later but get my damn Guard now so I can have some peace of mind!
Logan Mankins, Davin Joseph, Ben Grubbs, Danny Watkins, James Carpenter, David DeCastro and Kevin Zeitler were all taken by teams that were in the playoffs the year before. It's a luxury pick by teams that don't have a lot of holes.
Branden Albert had added value because he could kick outside and play left tackle, which he's done since his rookie season.
Warford for all the hype about his run blocking didn't allow a single sack last year and stoned Sheldon Richardson a top DT who will likely be a mid 1st round pick. His flaws are his technique he gets by on brute strength and that won't always work in the NFL but he will still be one of the strongest guards in the league day 1. Jordan and Warford would be my dream.
I wouldn't say it is a foregone conclusion they will succeed obviously the success rate is higher than other positions but the value in return is also lower. Top guards come from all over. Nicks round 5, Evans round 4, Yanda round 3, Zane ,Beadles round 2 etc.
I wouldn't say it is a foregone conclusion they will succeed obviously the success rate is higher than other positions but the value in return is also lower. Top guards come from all over. Nicks round 5, Evans round 4, Yanda round 3, Zane ,Beadles round 2 etc.
I admit I'm intrigued mainly by Star, Ansah and Milliner. I think we can find a quality G in the 2nd round; Warford would be a dream in the 2nd round if we get an impact playmaker on defense in the 1st.
But I by no means won't be angry if they go Warmack. I'll know we walked away a better team, and that's the most important thing.
But I by no means won't be angry if they go Warmack. I'll know we walked away a better team, and that's the most important thing.
It's a tough call, but safe is better than sorry if you ask me. Honestly the way this team has been drafting over the last decade, I'd welcome a bit of "safe".
I think it really depends who is on the board when we pick. If Geno Smith goes in the top nine and all three of the OT's go before us we could be looking at a pretty damn good player staring us in the face.
Cooper would be the guy for us I truly believe. He's an amazing athlete playing guard and could just as easily play center. That versatility really helps a team that is weak inside and needs another guard and another center. Draft Cooper and let him learn center and guard in training camp and start him where he's best. Another nice thing about drafting Cooper is it allows us to not necessarily target a center or a guard specifically in subsequent rounds. So if either position falls we can take that guy... it allows us a little more draft flexibility.
I think it really depends who is on the board when we pick. If Geno Smith goes in the top nine and all three of the OT's go before us we could be looking at a pretty damn good player staring us in the face.
Cooper would be the guy for us I truly believe. He's an amazing athlete playing guard and could just as easily play center. That versatility really helps a team that is weak inside and needs another guard and another center. Draft Cooper and let him learn center and guard in training camp and start him where he's best. Another nice thing about drafting Cooper is it allows us to not necessarily target a center or a guard specifically in subsequent rounds. So if either position falls we can take that guy... it allows us a little more draft flexibility.
I'm suprised no one is talking more about drafting Cooper as a Center. I've read a few times that some scouts think that could be his better posistion. If so then I think that's the better option out of warmack and him.
But I'm still not convinced we shouldn't go with D in the 1st.
But I'm still not convinced we shouldn't go with D in the 1st.
He played some center in College, he snapped at the combine too and looked like a natural, or so I heard. I think we need versatility at 10, so I really like Cooper and Rhodes. I think Rhodes could play safety or corner for us, either of those two guys would make me a happy camper.
You don't draft a C in the first round so if we plan to play him there it makes no sense especially since Velasco played well last year at C. We need a G and I'm aware he could slide there next year if we lose Velasco which we shouldn't cause he won't cost an unreasonable amount. I'd rather take a T/G type since Roos and Stew are entering the final year of their contracts. Yeah it would offer flexibility but Brian Schwenke can play G/C and be had in the third and Winters can play G/T and had around the same time. We have shown those two a good deal of interest and will bet one will be a Titan.
I just don't see the value of a G or C in the first but a T who can play guard is a little more intriguing since tackles are more valuable. Even still we can get guys like this later on. Pro Bowl guards have been selected all over the place. I'd rather see us get Lane or Fluker to be honest since they could probably go inside for the time being a move outside next year cause the possibility of retaining both is slim. That said I still want defense round 1 but who knows what the FO is thinking since we need to win now they may not even think that far ahead with this years draft.
The argument to draft Cooper because he can play center is stupid. We have 4 guys on our roster that can play center.
Do you understand your argument? You are claiming that Cooper is a better guard than Warmack but you don't want to play him at guard.
I agree with the last paragraph though.
I wish some people would provide some analysis when they post. Warmack is considered perhaps the best guard prospect to come along in a decade.
Cooper is better or Warford is almost as good? No they are not.
Warford is a nice 2nd rd pick but he did not dominate sec defenders the way Warmack did. Warford may not have been as good in 2012 as he was in 2010 and 2011. He doesn't explode off the ball so he can't use his size to it's full advantage and is not the devastating point of attack blocker that Warmack is especially in short yardage.
Warmack is clearly the best interior lineman in this draft. Some websites have him as the best player in the whole draft. Cooper is a nice pick 17 and on and warford is a nice pick 30th and on but those 2 guys are not at the same level as Warmack. Warmack is one of the best players in this draft.
Cooper is better or Warford is almost as good? No they are not.
Warford is a nice 2nd rd pick but he did not dominate sec defenders the way Warmack did. Warford may not have been as good in 2012 as he was in 2010 and 2011. He doesn't explode off the ball so he can't use his size to it's full advantage and is not the devastating point of attack blocker that Warmack is especially in short yardage.
Warmack is clearly the best interior lineman in this draft. Some websites have him as the best player in the whole draft. Cooper is a nice pick 17 and on and warford is a nice pick 30th and on but those 2 guys are not at the same level as Warmack. Warmack is one of the best players in this draft.
If i'm the GM and we have traded back to 17th and Cooper, Warford and Fluker are all still on the board. I'm taking Fluker and playing him at RG.
Really? I said that he CAN play center if need be. He's a guard that has the ability to play center if we need him to for any reason; be it injury or perhaps he turns out to be the best center on our team. I'm saying that the fact that he is versatile gives him the edge up.
And yes, I am saying Cooper is a better guard in our system, in the Jets system I think Warmack would be better. Warmack is better at eating than Cooper though
.Why are the Steelers trading up?
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