Let's not put too much weight on the Chow-Leinart relationship...if we go 5-11 next year and Fisher gets the boot, don't you think Chow will too? Chow did not get Mike Williams last year.....when WR was much more of a need at the time...than QB is today. Reese will pick who he likes best with some input from Fisher. If they pass on Young for, say Brick, or a trade down, they feel the pressure to win in 2006 and can't wait the year or two it will take to get Young ready. Anyway, I was pretty disappointed with the Offense last year...Chow did not seem like the so-called genius everyone claimed.
Originally Posted by TitanJeff
Brady doesn't have a cannon either.
Or Joe Montana
But they can/could run well enough to keep the Defense honest...Leinart can't move nearly as well as Brady or, from what I remember, Montana. Anyone know why he wears that knee brace?? If he takes a physical at the Combine this week, those issues may also come to light.
Brady doesn't have a cannon either.
Or Joe Montana
But they can/could run well enough to keep the Defense honest...Leinart can't move nearly as well as Brady or, from what I remember, Montana. Anyone know why he wears that knee brace?? If he takes a physical at the Combine this week, those issues may also come to light.
I want Young over Leinart too, but Tom Brady is not a mobile QB. Actually Leinart reminds me a lot of Brady, except his passes don't have as much zip IMO.
But Brady is in the right system.TitanJeff said:
The fans crave the deep ball, but Chow doesnt do deep balls that much. My question is, how long will Chow be here. He said when he was hired, he wanted to be a HC. As soon as Chow leaves, we might have to draft another QB because Leinhart wouldnt fit the "go for the jugular philisophy" that Hemi had and the fans generally loved.
Brady is far from a mobile QB, but he will run when he has too and runs better than Peyton Manning.royhobbs said:
Leinart is a throwback, IMO. I may be wrong but he appears to me to be the kind who will learn fast and whose strength is reading defenses, making smart decisions, being consistent and a good leader both on and off the field. He's little flash but clutch under pressure. He may never make the cover of Madden '08 but he gets the job done.
Over the years, Fisher has continuously played the guy who was more consistent. It appears to be more imporant to him than a potential playmaker if that playmaker is also known to make too many errors. I don't know if Reese shares the same mindset but I think Leinart would be the perfect fit for the Titans and give them the best chance of challenging the soonest. He's more polished and will be ready to play by '07 if not sooner.
I'm not saying Young or Culter do not have some of these qualities or can't be excellent QBs as well but I see Leinart the least risk of the three. If he is healthy, I'd be very happy to see the Titans take him.
Over the years, Fisher has continuously played the guy who was more consistent. It appears to be more imporant to him than a potential playmaker if that playmaker is also known to make too many errors. I don't know if Reese shares the same mindset but I think Leinart would be the perfect fit for the Titans and give them the best chance of challenging the soonest. He's more polished and will be ready to play by '07 if not sooner.
I'm not saying Young or Culter do not have some of these qualities or can't be excellent QBs as well but I see Leinart the least risk of the three. If he is healthy, I'd be very happy to see the Titans take him.
TitanJeff said:
Jeff, Danny Weurful won a national championship and heisman and when he was reunited with spurrier, and running a similar offense as he did in college he still sucked. Not that I am comparing Leinart to Weurful, but just because he was a successful college qb means squat at this point. And how long is he going to run this offense? Does anyone really think that Chow is going to be here for more than 1 or 2 more years? I hope Cutler is impressive during the workouts because I think he will end up being head and shoulders above Leinart, so I hope he moves up to the point where we would consider taking him over Leinart. I think Leinart will be a solid QB, but if your picking # 3 in the draft then your not expecting a "solid" player, your expecting a great player, and just my opinion but I dont see leinart being great.
I see your point. But I don't see why Leinart's success at the college level won't translate to the pros. He ran a pro offense and repeatedly won with it showing traits I think are key to being successful in the NFL.dg1979us said:
I think too many people get hung up on arm strength and don't look at the things which makes a QB great in the NFL. How many of the top QBs in the league right now would you say have excellent arms?
TitanJeff said:
Leinart was also the qb of an offense loaded with talent, which I think played a big part in him running the offense to the level he did, thats nothing against him, thats just being truthful.
I think most of your top QBs have pretty strong arms. Not everyone has the arm of Favre or Leftwich obviously, but even your Mannings and Brady and Delhommes can sling it down the field pretty well. Leinart reminds me of Couch from a physical standpoint, and I was not sold that Couch was worth the top pick because of his physical attributes. I think Couch could have been solid if he didnt lose his confidence, but he wasnt going to be Peyton Manning or Brett Favre.
At this point its all speculation from both our standpoints, but let me ask you this. If Cutler shows he has a stronger arm, is more mobile, and every bit as intelligent wouldnt it make sense to go with him over Leinart?
Not necessarily because the position is so much more.dg1979us said:
I want a QB who makes fast decisions under pressure, can manage the clock, can hit a five-yard slant in stride, can make the players around him play harder, is consistent, can make the right play change at the line, etc.
I don't know if a Wonderlic test can tell scouts that. You can only get it by watching how he's handled himself at the college level. To me, that is Leinart's strength and makes up for some of his lack of arm strength and mobility.
Carpy said:
No way. If anyone wants Leinart, all they have to do is trade with the Saints at 2. Reggie Bush will be the first player taken, whether is by Houston or somebody else.
TitanJeff said:
Well I agree with your point, but Im not sure that Cutler hasnt shown all those things as well, surrounded by much less talent. The leadership and consistency aspects are just speculation though. Sure Leinart could lead the most talented team in the country, but can he lead a team thats picking 2nd or 3rd in the draft and has a lot of unproven talent? Anybody can lead a winning team, not every can lead a struggling team and Leinart never had to face that at USC.
So again, if Cutler has better physical tools than Leinart then Im not sure you can take Leinart over him. All the intangibles are things that are going to had to play out but Cutler has shown that he can be a leader and an intelligent QB just as much as Leinart has.
Leinart won a lot of games at USC in crunch time. I saw Cutler come close plenty of times, but never quite saw him pull it out (minus the UT game this year).
Titans2008 said:
Your right, but dont you think that the talent surrounding them might have had something to do with the results? Cutler was on historically the worst program in the best conference in the country and he helped make them competitive. Leinart was on the most talented team in the country and didnt even win the national championship. I dont buy this idea that Leinart is more of a leader, or has more intangibles than Cutler for a second.
I think two National Championships and nearly a third shows consistency. Could Cutler have done the same at USC? Many think so but I'm not as convinced.dg1979us said:
dg1979us said:
I think that Cutler didn't make Vanderbilt competitive until the last half of his final year and he still didn't beat any teams that made a bowl. This may or may not reflect as heavily on him as it does the Vanderbilt program.
Leinart, on the other hand, took what Carson started and turned USC into a powerhouse. USC has had talent, no doubt, but there are a LOT of talented teams with good qb's that never make it to a championship.
TitanJeff said:
2 national championships with an offense that also featured Bush, White, Mike Williams, etc etc. If he didnt win 2 national championships he would be a huge bust because of all that talent he had around him. Honestly, I think John David Booty (or whatever his name is), USCs backup could have had that team in the national championship game. And Im not trying to knock Leinart, but you have to keep in perspective that Leinart was on one of the most talented offenses in college history. And sure he helped make it that, but he was by no means the lone cause for them being that good.
Again, I think Cutler taking a dreadful program, that plays in the top conference in the country, and making them competitive is just as impressive as Leinart doing what he did when you take into consideration the talent he had around him.
I also think its funny, that the one game that USC lost was because the QB of the other team played at a level that Leinart couldnt rise too, yet we are talking about him and his great leadership and big game abilities. (and yes Leinart played well in the rose bowl, but the fact is Texas won because their QB lead them to the win and Leinart and Bush couldnt match him.)
I think that calling him a bust if he didn't win with that talent is a very large stretch. He had to make a ton of plays to keep USC undefeated. There are very few, if any, other qb's that would have made the same plays in the spots he was in. Look at Young. Last year, he had a much better supporting cast than he did this year. They had one bad game against OK that cost them their entire season.
There are many teams with a great deal of talent that never win anything. There can be only one (or two
) champion.
There are many teams with a great deal of talent that never win anything. There can be only one (or two
) champion.Titans2008 said:I think that calling him a bust if he didn't win with that talent is a very large stretch. He had to make a ton of plays to keep USC undefeated. There are very few, if any, other qb's that would have made the same plays in the spots he was in. Look at Young. Last year, he had a much better supporting cast than he did this year. They had one bad game against OK that cost them their entire season.
There are many teams with a great deal of talent that never win anything. There can be only one (or two
The fact of the matter is Leinart was a part of one of the most talented college offenses probably ever and had a great career. But you dont draft a guy based on how good is college career was, you draft based on how good you think they will be in the NFL. And in my opinion, Young and probably Cutler are going to be better pros than Leinart. Thats not saying Leinart will be bad, but I dont see him being an elite NFL Qb either. And if we are picking a QB at #3 they need to turn out to be in the Manning, Palmer, McNair level, and I dont see Leinart being that level. Just my opinion and its all speculation of course.
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