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You wouldn't be going after him only because of Chow. You'd be going after him because he's still a heckuva talent.

He didn't get drafted top five for nothing, even if he only had one year under Chow in college.

I would definitely consider it, but only if it was the right value proposition for the Titans (compared to what's likely to be on the board at their pick). I think it's only on the table if McNair either hangs them up or they reach an impasse on his contract renegotiation -- possible because McNair isn't likely to want to commit to some number of years where the Titans know they won't be stuck eating all the dead money (say) in 2007 or whatever.

Otherwise, if McNair is back in '06, I think the Titans are more likely to just look for a day one pick at QB (maybe first round, maybe not).

I dont doubt Rivers has talent, but I am biased toward QBs that are dual threat. My top QBs from this draft are Jay Cutler and Vince Young.

 

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Good question. But when you have to put a defensive back on the offense to "add spark", you have issues.

Yeah, but you can look at a lot of good teams and see that they don't have any big time playmakers.

More firepower would certainly help, but I guess it depends on how you want to build a roster. We were a better team (and a team that seems to suit Fisher better) with a strong D and at least average O.

We had more balance in 03, and I'd like a team like that again. But I think our D needs more help to move on up than the O. I'm still hoping Chow and the O get more together next year. Maybe that's a foolish hope, but I have less hope for this D getting much better with the S's and LB's we have.

If we have no shot at Bush, what playmakers can we choose from? DeAngelo Williams is one, but is he that much better than what we have to warrant taking a high pick and using it on him?

 

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The Pats also had a top QB and a solid OL and a great OC. Without time to throw the ball we really don't know if we have potential playmakers at WR or if our QB is any good. Without any room to run we really don't know if Brown and Henry are solid RBs. We have not been able to establish the run to set up the pass or establish the pass to set up the run. Those 5 yard routes on 3rd and 10 don't help either.

The top QB is the tricky part. I have the hope that Steve will settle into this O and elevate his play. I not convinced he's done yet. If he can do that, he and Brady are on the same level imo. I can understand if we pick Leinart though, not so sure about the other QB's out there for our 1st pick.

I don't think their o-line was anything but average. But if we're talking about our 1st pick, it'd only be on a LT and I think their going to give that chance to Roos. I think our pass protection has been decent, but I agree the run blocking has been below average. I think both the RB's have shown enough to know they are good.

The play calling, QB decision, or both are questionable at times for sure. But again, I'm hoping that can improve....and I think that's more of a possability than our D getting better.

 

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Yeah, but you can look at a lot of good teams and see that they don't have any big time playmakers.

Those would be the teams with stiffling defenses and/or outstanding ground games. I'd take that as a better option but it looks like the Titans are more than one or two players from making either of those two things a reality.

If we have no shot at Bush, what playmakers can we choose from? DeAngelo Williams is one, but is he that much better than what we have to warrant taking a high pick and using it on him?

I don't know if it necessarily has to be the first pick. Maybe it is something which can be addressed in free agency. I just see a team who doesn't have much of a shot when they go down by 14 points or more. They don't appear to have anyone on the roster who can stretch a defense or even make a defense scheme to stop him.

The Titans are a team with many holes.

 

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Those would be the teams with stiffling defenses and/or outstanding ground games. I'd take that as a better option but it looks like the Titans are more than one or two players from making either of those two things a reality.

I agree they are more than 1 player away from a top D. Just like on O, we'll have to have some hope that the young guys show up improved players next season. I would include our young CB's and DE's on that list. I don't hold as much hope for both our S's and Sirmon and Kassell. If we get a few of these young guys to show improvement as they mature, and we get a guy (or maybe 2, like Hawk in the 1st and a good S in the 2nd) that can instantly improve the D, well maybe we get a lot closer to the good ole Titans D by next season.

I don't know if it necessarily has to be the first pick. Maybe it is something which can be addressed in free agency. I just see a team who doesn't have much of a shot when they go down by 14 points or more. They don't appear to have anyone on the roster who can stretch a defense or even make a defense scheme to stop him.

The Titans are a team with many holes.

Too true, many holes. It's not gonna be easy this offseason to decide who stays, who goes, and who do we go after. I'm sure they'll try to get help on both sides of the ball.

 

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You cannot lose if the other team cannnot score. I'd go for the best available on def, then work some more on the OL and DL.

 

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first post here...

but i read this stuff to friggin much and feel its about time i started some input.

do all this on draft day and scare the bejeesus out of the rest of the nfl

trade back the first for a mid first and second-- takes care of the henry screw up there... but keep powder anyhow... well need him next year
with the new first pick up rivers in a trade. no one else would give a low midder in this draft like we would for him.
with the second take cutler (either the next farve or the next well... nobody)if hes still around. got our next two QB's
trade volek for a third
with the other 2nd start picking up those later ILB studs... somone who likes to hit more than talk... abdul hodge sounds like a stud with little weakness.
If not him how bout gregg blue
maybe bothe if we could pull it off.
4th rd... dwayne slay- safety... makes grown men cry when he hits them... seen it.
5th 6th 7th...O linemen Olinemen Oline men.
or best available athlete

larcharles binkley will want the serious cash for c o-line but we shoould pay up.
KVB's pro bowl snub should lower his asking price a bit but i think he's a bit loyal
pick up reggie wayne... sompne of that group would eventually emerge as a pretty good number 1

fire schwartz--- hell trade him if its a possibility


drop hoppy...
drop lamont...
bet we could get a fourth or fifth for lamont and a six for the hopster
another olb
and onother lineman

heck if we could trade 3 o-linemen for texas first rounder (like someone said in another post)that'd be a godsend but it'd never happen with the guys we got back there.
but i bet theyd take 2 for a 4th and fifth...
then were really talking
another CB with that 4th...
and with the fifth...who else but another olineman

would also love to see archuletta here

thats six new o linemen... someone will be pretty good with the way we "normally" work with these guys.

then next year... running back... wr... corner back.... pacman wants out... we all know it... we know we like to watch him play but the child is a dumba$$

thats my off seas ideas ... doubt but maybe one of them would come true but i garuntee you in two years we would be in the playoffs... hire me bud

"there are things uknown and there are things known... in between are the doors" jim morrison

 

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DISCLAIMER: MAJOR FLAME below - read on if you want, but beware: you've been warned

I can tell you right now, if Floyd listened to you - we'd be screwed. Trade for Phillips and draft Cutler? You kidding me?! That's the most assenine thing I've ever read on here. This isn't your local weekend Fantasy League pal. Sure it's nice to dream a little, but lets post logically here. You want to spend both of our day 1 picks on QB's?!?! Look we got a QB who can get the job done the next two or three years, a guy whose always gotten it done: Steve McNair. Yeah he hasn't looked sharp this year or last, but he atleast deserves another year to prove what he's got and he'll get it too.

From the most part, yeah the Henry deal looked like a total screw up. But he did however show some flashes of what he brings to the table recently and if the OLine could runblock worth a damn, we probably could see more of it. Henry deserves more of a look, I'm not ready to scrap a third that easily. You want LeCharles Bentley? Cool, go get him on your Fantasy League. I watched that guy play a few times and when I watched the Falcons game two Monday nights ago, that was enough. The guy looked awful and definitely not worth the preety penny he's gonna demand.

I agree with bits and pieces of your post. Drop LT, Hoppy...sure, but theres more that need to go. How about Kassell, Sirmon, Olson, Piller, Hartwig, Tank? I think they've underperformed to the point of getting the axe, especially Hoppy, Olson and Sirmon; guys we could save good money off of by cutting them. What's this I read about Pacman wanting out? WTF? This kid just began his pro career, why the hell would he want out? Whose gonna take him? The mother ****ing Ratturds? Come on, man, he's one of the bright spots on this team talent wise. Yeah he causes a ruckus, but that will go away in due time. Look, if Reynaldo Hill was doing the **** he does off field we wouldn't hear about it. Why? He's a seventh round pick that's why, not a 6th overall pick. All eyes are on Pac, until he comes to terms with it - he'll be this way. He doesn't get this aint College anymore, it's the real world.

"there are things uknown and there are things known... in between are the doors" jim morrison

If you were GM the media would use this quote to describe you. Alot remains unknown to you, while you know very little. "The Door isn't in between ****, it's right in front of you - see your way out" is what Bud and every true Tennessee Titan fan would say after your short tenure at GM.

 

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hey!! about time the drunks came out!
if you had read it properly... there would still be a high second left... basically the first would be spent on rivers....still that second there from the trade i mentioned earlier.
mcnair is spent dude... matter of opinion... maybe... but the guy isnt smart enough to learn a new offense that fast... proved it the first 5 years it took him here and he has only thrown to tight ends this year when ive personally seen .... IN MY FRO NT ROW SEATS.... every reciever we have being open... happened at least 4 times last game and it was his best game of the past two years.
i would still keep henry... didnt say lose him... just said a third was too much for what he was worth at the time
also mentioned about 6 new oine coming in.... thats before we let the obvious ones go... the tanks... the olsen and sirmons... just a pre to draft day mock buddy...
not the whole friggin off season.
now calm down...take your valium and realx douche''''er...i mean deutch

 

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besides D it was a lightheartedpost... read it sober

oh and lacharles bently doesnt look good in atlanta b/c vick is the Qb there... get a normal aka...GOOD... quarterback without happy feet and he's as good as they come

 

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I would agree with some and say A J Hawk as the first rnd pick. Cutler has definite NFL potential and could be around for the 2nd rnd pick. If Cutler isn't available in the second and the titans are set on takin a qb Darrell Hackney could be a sleeper pick in the 4th or 5th rnds. As for us gettin leinart or bush I think thats pretty much out of the question unless we trade up somehow to get one of them. Bush will most certainly be gone by pick 3 and the Jets, Packers and Saints may all be interested in Leinart. Unfortunately, Vince Young is gonna stay for his senior season so that leaves Cutler and Omar Jacobs as the best available qbs. As for O-line, I'll agree that we need lots of work but I am on the side of late rnd guys developing. I think if we can get back to running the ball well and controlling the clock that McNair will again return to Pro-Bowl form. McNair will hopefully be around for at least two more years allowing time for Cutler or Hackney to develop if they are taken by the Titans. I'm not completely sold on Volek and I think the Jets would definitely be interested in trading for him on draft day if they miss out on Leinart. They expressed interest earlier in the season and he ran Heimerdingers offense last year when he looked good throwing td after td down the stretch for Tennessee. I think the safeties will progress if we give them time. Thompson has some game IMO but Tank will most likely get cut. Fisher being a former DB, i'm sure he will make good decisions on the defensive backfield and bring the team back to contention next year. As for the Lbs I think Hawk would be a definite upgrade and would play well alongside KB.

 

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anybody know how old kieth is next year?

 

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He turns 29 on april 4th

 

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so after next season he'll be 30? crap... even he's starting to get old... 3 more top notch years at least though... i just want some younguns out there

 

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well 2 at least

 

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I think he could possibly play at this level for another 4 or 5 years myself.

 

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friend i hope you are right... possibly.
i just got this bad feeling about pacman dissappearing on us after his contract is up in a few years and i would hate for those two to come at the same time

 

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Pacman has got another 5 years, bit early to be calling for him to split.

who knows what will happen.

 

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i hadnt realized pac had signed that long... good job front office.
maybe by then this town and him can become friends

 

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hey!! about time the drunks came out!
if you had read it properly... there would still be a high second left... basically the first would be spent on rivers....still that second there from the trade i mentioned earlier.
mcnair is spent dude... matter of opinion... maybe... but the guy isnt smart enough to learn a new offense that fast... proved it the first 5 years it took him here and he has only thrown to tight ends this year when ive personally seen .... IN MY FRO NT ROW SEATS.... every reciever we have being open... happened at least 4 times last game and it was his best game of the past two years.
i would still keep henry... didnt say lose him... just said a third was too much for what he was worth at the time
also mentioned about 6 new oine coming in.... thats before we let the obvious ones go... the tanks... the olsen and sirmons... just a pre to draft day mock buddy...
not the whole friggin off season.
now calm down...take your valium and realx douche''''er...i mean deutch

Sorry, I don't flame, but when I saw that "hail marry" attempt at fixing the QB situation I about lost it. Especially with that cocky attitude like yours was the one true way. Maybe you didn't mean for it to come off that way, I just took it like that. QB is definitely not a position you draft shotgun style. The logical and realistic thing that will happen is we'll probably trade Billy, restructure and re-sign McNair. Now whether Mac plays or not - that depends. There are some mid-round QB prospects who are preety interesting and worth a look see. Don't know if we'll have a chance at Leinart, Young, Cutler and Jacobs could possibly return as well as Young. You didn't mention 6 new Olinemen coming in, you mentioned LeCharles Bentley and suggested we draft OLine from rounds 5th-7th; that's only four. Speaking of LeCharles, he plays for NEW ORLEANS. If you watched the New Orleans vs. Atlanta Monday night game two Monday nights ago, you would have seen him put little to no effort at blocking the Falcon's front line. I can recall atleast five times where a DLinemen from Atlanta had a free shot at Brooks because he didn't put a damn effort into blocking - one of those free shots was a safety. It's not the only game, there's been others. Bottom Line: He ain't worth the preety penny he'll ask for. As many draft picks you want, our money that could go to solid FA's will be gone to first day draft picks. So technically, yeah, that looked like the whole off-season gone to the draft, which is all we need right now: getting even younger.

Oh and you wanna talk to me about Valium, I'm not the one who spells like he's snortin Valium lines pal. What's "douche''''er"? The names Deutsch which means German, not douche. Ignorance becomes you....:sad2: