CriticalTheory said:
Funny how when you want to be taken seriously you actually speak like an intelligent adult but all your other posts are trash....but whatever. You will not tell me what I can and cannot post about so get over yourself.
CriticalTheory said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your banter but I couldn't let this obvious logical error go. The word "cowboy" is not of African origin. By 1865 the slave trade hadn't brought over any Africans for a long time. The word Cowboy must therfore be an English word used by white slave owners to refer to black cattle hurders, unless of course you are trying to say that Africans kept the plantation records and the etymology of the words "cow" and "boy" are actually African.
I'm pretty sure you'll be pretty mad about me trying to correct you and you'll probably dismiss my comments altogether, but it had to be said.
It isn't a matter of trying to minimize African cultural contributions, which are in fact numerous.
It is a matter of keeping facts straight.
The etymology of "cowboy" goes back to the British isles in the medieval times. Back then, most slaves were white.
Some of the words on your list seem to come from slang usage, which indeed may have been linguistic innovations from decendants of African slaves, but that took place right here in America, so calling them "African" is a rather curious "pick and choose."
Even instances in which a strong case for African influence can be made, such as "banjo" there is room for scholarly debate; did it come from the African "mbanza" or from the Portugese "bandurra" which goes back to Greek and Latin?
Is this a conspiracy to minimize Portugese contributions to culture?
Was "jazz" coined by Jelly Roll Morton (making it American), derived from Mandingo (which I asume is your claim), or derived from French via Creoles?
So if you want to make blanket assertions, back it up with some scholarship.
I am certain some partisans of ethnic pride will make their cases for an African root for those words, just as etymologists have been tracing the origin of those words to other roots for centuries.
It is a matter of keeping facts straight.
The etymology of "cowboy" goes back to the British isles in the medieval times. Back then, most slaves were white.
Some of the words on your list seem to come from slang usage, which indeed may have been linguistic innovations from decendants of African slaves, but that took place right here in America, so calling them "African" is a rather curious "pick and choose."
Even instances in which a strong case for African influence can be made, such as "banjo" there is room for scholarly debate; did it come from the African "mbanza" or from the Portugese "bandurra" which goes back to Greek and Latin?
Is this a conspiracy to minimize Portugese contributions to culture?
Was "jazz" coined by Jelly Roll Morton (making it American), derived from Mandingo (which I asume is your claim), or derived from French via Creoles?
So if you want to make blanket assertions, back it up with some scholarship.
I am certain some partisans of ethnic pride will make their cases for an African root for those words, just as etymologists have been tracing the origin of those words to other roots for centuries.
CriticalTheory,
Ignorant? I suppose when you are engaged in a job interview and the potential employer asks you a question you don't quite understand you might be better off responding with "what do you mean" as opposed to "what you mean". You can justify your difficulty to communicate all you want and I will agree, if you want to talk like a person from a different planet you have that right but if your intent is to actually communicate (transfer thought, feelings, facts) that most of us can understand we would appreciate it if you speak in the English language. It is obvious you are intentionally being "ebonic" or whatever it is and calling someone pathetic or a fool is ridiculous. Of course saying something totally moronic like "Lets gets something perfectly 180 degree straight here 1st of all I don't have to do anything for anybody on here" is far more pathetic.
Ignorant? I suppose when you are engaged in a job interview and the potential employer asks you a question you don't quite understand you might be better off responding with "what do you mean" as opposed to "what you mean". You can justify your difficulty to communicate all you want and I will agree, if you want to talk like a person from a different planet you have that right but if your intent is to actually communicate (transfer thought, feelings, facts) that most of us can understand we would appreciate it if you speak in the English language. It is obvious you are intentionally being "ebonic" or whatever it is and calling someone pathetic or a fool is ridiculous. Of course saying something totally moronic like "Lets gets something perfectly 180 degree straight here 1st of all I don't have to do anything for anybody on here" is far more pathetic.
Soxcat said:
This is a sports message board big shot, not a job interview. You guys need to lighten-up. Some real squares on this board, I swear. :ha:
Yea, it is a message board. Which means making an attempt to communicate is important as well as showing some respect for others. Contrary to this attitude that "I don't have to do anything for anybody" which is childish, selfish and moronic this should be no different than if we were all sitting around a table having a discussion.
The comment about the job interview was making two points.
1. As wg53 pointed out, Critical has the capability to speak as an intelligent adult when he wants to and
2. If you want respect, show respect. Just because this is a message board there is no reason to show our arse all the time.
The comment about the job interview was making two points.
1. As wg53 pointed out, Critical has the capability to speak as an intelligent adult when he wants to and
2. If you want respect, show respect. Just because this is a message board there is no reason to show our arse all the time.
Soxcat said:
1. You do realize that came after the fact that posters get heated because he uses "ebonics" (BTW, no one on this board uses ebonics; go get in your car and head for you local ghetto if you want to hear real slang). I don't find anything wrong with the way he speaks on a message board, and if your offended by slang in a casual setting such as this, then you got problems.
2. If your offended, put him or anyone on ignore, or go cry to the mods in the PM box. This whole bull**** needs to stop in football threads man. :sad2:
BTW, this whole "what words came from the Dark Continent" is silly man. The english language is a mixing bowl of so many different cultures and root words from countless older languages, it really doesn't take 1/2 the posts in this thread to argue over it. Yes, of course theres going to be African roots in the english language; our culture is just as deeply rooted in America as white history. But c'mon now. "Cowboy"? I'm co-signing Slackmaster on this one.
Unless you just came over here on a boat or a plane then last I checked we are all "Americans" not freaking Africans (since I bet most of the "African Americans" neither have been to Africa nor can name a realative from there) nor are we "Europeans" (since most of us have never been there nor can we name a close relative from there) This racial divide crap is stupid and needs to be gotten over by everyone.
KamikaZ said:
Who says I'm offended? Hardly. I'm not crying either. I am saying that spewing a bunch of non-sense and then saying "Lets gets something perfectly 180 degree straight here 1st of all I don't have to do anything for anybody on here" is obviously self centered and disrespectfull. You can defend idiotic jibberish if you want, that is your right. Help yourself.
I'm defending his or anyone else's right to say what they want, within TJ's rules. I can understand what he's saying, it's not ebonics or some alien language. So why are people complaining?
If you are going to talk about english at least space what you have to say out.Soxcat said:
"Drank" "Beast" since when did those words become ebonics? One word makes a entire post ebonic???
Like I told someone else in this thread find one post of mine where every word could be considered "Ebonic" hell it must not be too ebonic. If you are responding to them!!!
SoxCat who are you? What type of guy cries and don't say you are not because thats exactly what you are doing. About what someone says that wasn't even directed at them. You and Wg53 act like females so go to a beauty salon and get your nails done.
It's one thing to comment but to cry, wail and flail is pathetic.
"Oh my god thats so moronic, sad and pathetic I can't believe he said that to Wg53, I'm just appalled and outrage Titanjeff, TitanJeff!!!hmmph"
You Damn right I have no obligation to do anything for anybody on here nobody on here does.Soxcat said:
The only idiotic jibberish on here comes from your mind goes through your fingertips and onto your screen then to everybody else screen.
Remember this Soxcat I pay your Bills!!!
use the ignore feature - it's not permanent, helps a lot when people are getting on your nerves - you can always remove them later. I think people just like to argue/create arguments here sometimes. Visit a Colts/Raiders/Ravens/Steelers site for that stuff.
Did Gunny say something? Because I have him on ignore, and I'm sure his comment was moronic and/or homosexual.
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KamikaZ said:
I know you love me too much to ignore me. Don't deny it. :kiss:
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