the reason i say cutler is pick
Saints lost D. Howard take Mario Williams, now that they have Brees,
WE trade down WITH JETS OR RAIDERS & Cutler becuse he has as good
a chance of being the best of the 3,Nobody knows plus we pick up a 2nd .
Saints lost D. Howard take Mario Williams, now that they have Brees,
WE trade down WITH JETS OR RAIDERS & Cutler becuse he has as good
a chance of being the best of the 3,Nobody knows plus we pick up a 2nd .
Leinart
But if we had to "settle" for Young, that wouldn't be so bad
But if we had to "settle" for Young, that wouldn't be so bad
That would make a great T-shirt if the Titans get Leinart.paraconspiracy said:
wplatham said:
I don't get it. Forcing passes is always a bad thing. Shaq has a bad habit of being a poor free throw shooter. When the next huge fat guy comes out of the draft and shoots poorly at the line, the scouts don't say "OHHHHH GOOOOODY ANOTHER SHAQ..... WE GOTTA GET ON THIS !!!!!".
Shaq is great in spite of his weakness. Cutler isn't necessarily great just because he shares a weakness in common with a good (not great imo) player.
He refuses to stop throwing dumb passes just because he knows they won't bench him. He has to realize that throwing dumb passes ends up badly more times than not, yet he still does it. He has put up big numbers his entire career. Yea, big deal. I would like to see how many games he has failed to attempt 30 passes in a game as well.
Him calling out Javon Walker really made me sour towards him too. I mean the guy puts up a ton of yards and he is scheduled to make near the league minimum iirc. Why shouldn't he get paid ? I can see why Favre would say that with his huge long term deal... maybe he should have to take a pay cut out of that huge contract every time he throws a pick ? Even worse, as far as I know, he never appologized to Walker for basically costing him probably 10's of millions of dollars.
But that's way off topic lol...
Him calling out Javon Walker really made me sour towards him too. I mean the guy puts up a ton of yards and he is scheduled to make near the league minimum iirc. Why shouldn't he get paid ? I can see why Favre would say that with his huge long term deal... maybe he should have to take a pay cut out of that huge contract every time he throws a pick ? Even worse, as far as I know, he never appologized to Walker for basically costing him probably 10's of millions of dollars.
But that's way off topic lol...
Because Favre told Walker a fourth year WR, to get his a$$ in camp, he cost him 10s of millions of dollars.:sad2: This is how TO's are made, you don't cowar(sp) to egotistical WRs, becuase this just belies them with a sense of power and control. The most unstable players on any team are WRs and DBs. All this was, was a perfect example of Karma coming back to rip up Javon Walker's knee, that will teach you to open your big mouth and take the unprofessional advice of your unstable agent. Look where this got you, as opposed to getting an extension midway through the season. Favre tried to protect Walker from being compared to and annointed into the MeyShawn and Terrell Owens selfish society, but Walker dug his grave and now he's rehabbing out of it.:greedy:
Billy?
What is going to happen with Volek? I am still not sure why we need to draft a QB. Volek is a great QB and has sat quitely waiting for his shot. Why pay top 5 pick money on a QB that has to be groomed when Volek is primed and ready. You can't tell me we have had him here all this time just to prep him for another team and honestly was quarterback our problem, NO! Thornton, Mawae, Givens and Hope are fantastic pick ups and as far as I am concerned we are just 1 more OL away from heading full throttle forward in the right direction. Honestly if McNair went down with another sternum injury let's say in week 4, and with his track record lately you would be a fool to think it couldn't happen, then what? Rookie or Volek?We have an all pro in McNair and a back-up in Volek that could start on just about any other team in the league. How many teams can say that! Lets throw a wrench in the whole shabang and take the Brick. Think about that, Roos, Pillar, Mawae, Olson and DeBrick up front with McNair with Bennett, Givens, Kinney, Troupe and Brown!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway it was just a suggestion.
What is going to happen with Volek? I am still not sure why we need to draft a QB. Volek is a great QB and has sat quitely waiting for his shot. Why pay top 5 pick money on a QB that has to be groomed when Volek is primed and ready. You can't tell me we have had him here all this time just to prep him for another team and honestly was quarterback our problem, NO! Thornton, Mawae, Givens and Hope are fantastic pick ups and as far as I am concerned we are just 1 more OL away from heading full throttle forward in the right direction. Honestly if McNair went down with another sternum injury let's say in week 4, and with his track record lately you would be a fool to think it couldn't happen, then what? Rookie or Volek?We have an all pro in McNair and a back-up in Volek that could start on just about any other team in the league. How many teams can say that! Lets throw a wrench in the whole shabang and take the Brick. Think about that, Roos, Pillar, Mawae, Olson and DeBrick up front with McNair with Bennett, Givens, Kinney, Troupe and Brown!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway it was just a suggestion.
I wouldn't say Volek is primed and ready. He may be ready for his shot, but he isn't primed. Either way we will be drafting our future QB within this next two or three years, so why would we pass up on one of these three QB's to wait for next years and year following's batch of QB's who will undoubtedly not be as talented.
I wouldn't mind taking D'Brick then Omar Jacobs in the second, or we could wait 'til next year to address QB, but I'd rather take one of the big 3 QB's this year.
BTW Leinart won't play like a rookie next year if we draft him. He already knows Chow's offense like the back of his palm, he'd only have to adjust to the speed of the game and NFL defenses.
I wouldn't mind taking D'Brick then Omar Jacobs in the second, or we could wait 'til next year to address QB, but I'd rather take one of the big 3 QB's this year.
BTW Leinart won't play like a rookie next year if we draft him. He already knows Chow's offense like the back of his palm, he'd only have to adjust to the speed of the game and NFL defenses.
Killing me over here!
Pass on the QB with pick #3 and keep Volek because there is nothing wrong with him and as for being a back up he is just as good as 3/4 of the QB's out there that are starting. it would be foolish to let him go for a rookie QB. He has more than earned his shot at the helm when McNair retires. If we were to take DeBrickshaw think about this. front 5 would be Debrick, Pillar, Mawae, Olson and Roos in front of McNair with Givens, Bennett, Troupe, Kinney and Brown! Take that and throw in another FA player on the D side like Sam Cowart, Greisen or Nail Diggs at ML and we would be putting the AFC south on notice!
Pass on the QB with pick #3 and keep Volek because there is nothing wrong with him and as for being a back up he is just as good as 3/4 of the QB's out there that are starting. it would be foolish to let him go for a rookie QB. He has more than earned his shot at the helm when McNair retires. If we were to take DeBrickshaw think about this. front 5 would be Debrick, Pillar, Mawae, Olson and Roos in front of McNair with Givens, Bennett, Troupe, Kinney and Brown! Take that and throw in another FA player on the D side like Sam Cowart, Greisen or Nail Diggs at ML and we would be putting the AFC south on notice!
eh maybe
I do understand what your sayin PRIZ. My major concern is I cannot EVER remember season when Mcnair and Volek took such a beating and ran for their lives for the better part of 3/4 of the season. Not taking care of the line now and taking Leinart I just think is the wrong move at this time unless by some chance we struck gold again on the O-line with OT help.
I do understand what your sayin PRIZ. My major concern is I cannot EVER remember season when Mcnair and Volek took such a beating and ran for their lives for the better part of 3/4 of the season. Not taking care of the line now and taking Leinart I just think is the wrong move at this time unless by some chance we struck gold again on the O-line with OT help.
Jwill1919 said:
Players ask for a raise all the time, especially in his case. I think he had something in the neighborhood of 1400 yards and 12 TD's and made the pro bowl. He was scheduled to make near the league minimum. Clearly, that's not right. Meanwhile, Bret Favre is cashing in big bucks every year even though he is probably below the middle of the pack among qb's in this league. Yet he goes out of his way to call out his best receiver. Now Javon must really respect Favre, because I'm sure his agent (Rosenhaus) was telling him to pay him no attention, but he decided to ignore his agent and come back anyways. Javon was one of the top 5 young wideouts for sure at that point and would surely have commanded a huge contract had he held out. I guess Favre doesn't see anything wrong with that.
Troupe4Prez said:
Sorry, I didn't mean that to sound defensive.. =x
Titans2008 said:
Not saying he will be good because he forces passes. I'm saying that they said the same thing about Farve, and look how great of a player he became. Forcing passes can be corrected. Arm strength and mobility are a lot harder to fix.
Tom Brady didn't have very good arm strength coming out of college. Troy Aikman couldn't run very fast. You can always cite one case for a player... my point is that that doesn't mean anything...
The only thing that that shows is that making bad decisions doesn't necessarily mean that you can't be a starter in the NFL. That's fairly obvious. There are many qb's starting right now that consistantly make bad decisions.
The only thing that that shows is that making bad decisions doesn't necessarily mean that you can't be a starter in the NFL. That's fairly obvious. There are many qb's starting right now that consistantly make bad decisions.
I definately just set a record for the most uses of "that" in the same post.
I love the idea of Vince Young. I'm fine with him but... ok, check this out...
You can take Vince Young and do fine but if you select Vince Young over Matt Leinart you have screwed the pooch. I've been firmly on the fence with this for some time. I've ohhed and ahhed over Vince Young. I remember that magical Rose Bowl game. The way I see it, you can't really go wrong with either one. If Leinart goes at #2 you could even shop the pick and still be ok. I like Leinart. I like Young. I'd even be fine with Cutler if it meant an extra impact player would come with the slot jokeying...It's good to be the Titan. The tide has turned... finally.
You can take Vince Young and do fine but if you select Vince Young over Matt Leinart you have screwed the pooch. I've been firmly on the fence with this for some time. I've ohhed and ahhed over Vince Young. I remember that magical Rose Bowl game. The way I see it, you can't really go wrong with either one. If Leinart goes at #2 you could even shop the pick and still be ok. I like Leinart. I like Young. I'd even be fine with Cutler if it meant an extra impact player would come with the slot jokeying...It's good to be the Titan. The tide has turned... finally.
Titans2008 said:
So what are you saying? Maybe Javon's agent should've gotten him a better rookie contract. I'm sick of this BS..play out your contract, and then cash in, or put in clauses that let you out of your contract after a certain number of years. To be as young as Walker was, and to make a move like this would only damage his persona, and in effect it damaged his physical skills. One of these days, these guys are gonna learn, the only way you get a raise is by staying in house and working your butt off, not sitting at home requesting the money. If he would've just showed up to camp and never made a big deal out of it, he would've gotten the extension he wanted, the Packers and Favre love Javon Walker, but he burned a bridge, and the Karma Chameleon got him in the end. By the way, what is he doing now??:banned:
Ive Changed Mind From Cutler To Leinhart
Leinhart Is Ready To Play As Rookie ,very Clutch In Big Games Even Rose Bowl He Played Great,& I Think We Either Trade
Mcnair Or Volek,so We Neeed Someone Who Can Play Now ,maybe Even Release Mcnir If He Doesnt Cut His Cap Mumber,no Nway Volek Wants To Be A 3rd Stringer If Mcanair Stays.i Say Trade Volek For 3rd Or Early 4t Rounder & No More Drew Clients.mcnairs Last Year & Lenarts Team Next Year.
Leinhart Is Ready To Play As Rookie ,very Clutch In Big Games Even Rose Bowl He Played Great,& I Think We Either Trade
Mcnair Or Volek,so We Neeed Someone Who Can Play Now ,maybe Even Release Mcnir If He Doesnt Cut His Cap Mumber,no Nway Volek Wants To Be A 3rd Stringer If Mcanair Stays.i Say Trade Volek For 3rd Or Early 4t Rounder & No More Drew Clients.mcnairs Last Year & Lenarts Team Next Year.
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