His silence speaks volumes.
Analytics departments are used in player evaluation, positional contract/cap strategy, and optimizing in game decisions. The coach and GM can choose to ignore the data, but to outright refuse to examine it and understand the potential impact is just blind arrogance.
Do those numbers change every year? I would think since analytics have been around for about 20 years used in sports, each year’s results don’t change the decision tree all that much.
Player evaluation is a part that generally would be needed for the breakdown of plays and such PFF style but are those analytics people doing that?
I only say this for the idea that the formulas for each team should be the same and I’m pretty sure Vrabel has the “cheat sheet” for scenarios in game but just gambles anyway.
based on that 4th qtr punt in the playoffs last year, we may have had an analytics person, but they quit right then and there knowing what their value to Vrabel was.
A ton of money and time is saved just by having a staff who know's how to gauge game-speed calculated risk..
Anything outside of that, you're just giving a bunch of Calculus nerds a reason to have a letterman's jacket.... and remember Leonard Kraleman was just a character in a TV show (most won't get that reference without using Google)
We all know if you SIMULATE a result (whether it be workouts, season forecasts, offseason projections) 100x, you're bound to get a juicy result at least once...... That is literally all analytics is ...... a couple kids simulating the REGULAR SEASON in franchise mode so they can play the playoffs....
Anything outside of that, you're just giving a bunch of Calculus nerds a reason to have a letterman's jacket.... and remember Leonard Kraleman was just a character in a TV show (most won't get that reference without using Google)
We all know if you SIMULATE a result (whether it be workouts, season forecasts, offseason projections) 100x, you're bound to get a juicy result at least once...... That is literally all analytics is ...... a couple kids simulating the REGULAR SEASON in franchise mode so they can play the playoffs....
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yeah I disagree but to each their own...
football, as a true team game, makes analytics harder because what 1 guy is doing is in fact largely impacting at least the guys within arms reach of him and probably all his teammates. Lack of passrush exposing coverage for to long of a time as an example.
But analytics itself is quite useful when used properly. In other sports with larger sample sizes and less dependence on teammates for any given players performance, baseball in particular, analytics has triumphed over counter stats & tools
Even low level amateurs use analytics in baseball these days and ALL professional teams do. Because the numbers truly represent ability
I doubt football could ever be like that because of the interdependence
but knowing results of say an inside CB vs outside IS a thing and hopefully that obvious stuff is being used by the Titans even if they are not paying for an analytics person.
And other traditional football stats could be considered analytics... thinking of punt hang time here. Probably a crap ton of line drive punters before Ray Guy. I know lots of teams did not even have specialty kickers until the 50s possibly into 60s. Just used whichever lineman was best at it for the most part.
football, as a true team game, makes analytics harder because what 1 guy is doing is in fact largely impacting at least the guys within arms reach of him and probably all his teammates. Lack of passrush exposing coverage for to long of a time as an example.
But analytics itself is quite useful when used properly. In other sports with larger sample sizes and less dependence on teammates for any given players performance, baseball in particular, analytics has triumphed over counter stats & tools
Even low level amateurs use analytics in baseball these days and ALL professional teams do. Because the numbers truly represent ability
I doubt football could ever be like that because of the interdependence
but knowing results of say an inside CB vs outside IS a thing and hopefully that obvious stuff is being used by the Titans even if they are not paying for an analytics person.
And other traditional football stats could be considered analytics... thinking of punt hang time here. Probably a crap ton of line drive punters before Ray Guy. I know lots of teams did not even have specialty kickers until the 50s possibly into 60s. Just used whichever lineman was best at it for the most part.
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My algorithm predicted that.
Could be farmed out too through an agency and not an employee.
Plenty of ways to get the information. Just silly to think we are ignoring that side of things (especially when they specifically have mentioned looking at that data).
Proof they are refusing to examine it?
You are correct that it’s hard to compare analytics across sports because the games are vastly different.
However, in baseball the large majority of analytics used all revert back to commonly used stats. It’s basically a way to look at every player without having to do your own math equation every time.
The ones that aren’t complied from common stats change based on what website you look at. So it’s not perfect.
the only ones I know of that are not based on common counter stats are the defensive stats & yes everyone seems to do their own thing there.
As I understand it some assign a zone to a player and grid the field and players are rated if they play the balls in their zone correctly. Others attempt to wizard out the defensive data using traditional counter stats. Its better data now that defensive innings, hell pitches, are counted these days.
And they all seem to have their own equation... some ignore 1B POs at 1B assuming 100% is the norm. Which seems fair at first except when one watches baseball a good 1B vs a bad 1B is obvious. Good 1B can extend and make a play on a throw that is not perfect where a bad 1B would be drawn off the bag resulting in a baserunner on first. One gets zero credit for making a play the other gets zero punishment for not making a play
As I understand it some assign a zone to a player and grid the field and players are rated if they play the balls in their zone correctly. Others attempt to wizard out the defensive data using traditional counter stats. Its better data now that defensive innings, hell pitches, are counted these days.
And they all seem to have their own equation... some ignore 1B POs at 1B assuming 100% is the norm. Which seems fair at first except when one watches baseball a good 1B vs a bad 1B is obvious. Good 1B can extend and make a play on a throw that is not perfect where a bad 1B would be drawn off the bag resulting in a baserunner on first. One gets zero credit for making a play the other gets zero punishment for not making a play
We have a strong Antics Department led by lewan. Pretty sure it’s not the same thing but it’s something.
You want proof that the Titans aren't using analytics correctly? Just look at their record with punting vs. gambling on 4th down. That is one of the easiest things to figure out with even a base level of understanding of the math, yet the Titans repeatedly get it wrong (including in the highest-leverage situations).
There is a wealth of data and articles explaining all this, but here is a good place to start: Is the N.F.L. Over Punting?
There is a wealth of data and articles explaining all this, but here is a good place to start: Is the N.F.L. Over Punting?
But is the titans or Vrabel? I think we see enough other gambles from Vrabel that an analytics person may be worthless. He makes weird decisions multiple times throughout each year and some end up super costly.
which I like better than never going for anything like fishface/Munchak
to be fair fishface was a riverboat gambler... in the preseason.
to be fair fishface was a riverboat gambler... in the preseason.
Do these analytics take into account the difference in punters ability?
True, except the coaches/FO have never commented on it, and won't say if they are or aren't.
Why the veil of silence? It's not like saying, "no we don't have anyone on staff specifically for this, but do utilize a local analytics firm to help us out" gives you a competitive advantage.
The Browns had the same record as us last year, so yeah, I'd say it's going well for them.
Also it's gone very well for the Ravens and Colts in particular, who are two of the top teams in the league at going for it on 4th down over the past few years. Both are known to use their analytics team pretty heavily.
So the Browns had one good season... finally! They’ve been analytics driven for at least 5 years. Let’s go ahead and compare that sample size. Clearly some here missed the point.
It’s all about how you use the information.
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