GLinks said:
I think Reese said Chow wanted Williams big time. Something like jumping on the table.
Depending on how far down we trade and what position we take, we may still be getting a guy that's considered "franchise"....or at least franchise-ish 
If the hype is true about Cutler, you could look at him that way. Maybe even Jacobs shoots up the charts. Or you may take a LB or OT that would have been drafted higher most other years, but since it's a deep draft at those positions, they fall a little.
You trade down and get a few more 1st day picks at deep positions, and you have less chance of all those players bombing instead of just one guy bombing. But the guy at the top could be a future perenial Pro Bowler. It's good to be where we are.
If the hype is true about Cutler, you could look at him that way. Maybe even Jacobs shoots up the charts. Or you may take a LB or OT that would have been drafted higher most other years, but since it's a deep draft at those positions, they fall a little.
You trade down and get a few more 1st day picks at deep positions, and you have less chance of all those players bombing instead of just one guy bombing. But the guy at the top could be a future perenial Pro Bowler. It's good to be where we are.
This is a chance you get to pick this high once in 10-15 years. I say take Young if he's available.
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smili said:
i wonder if everytime PacMan gets into trouble if Chow's sittin there going "see i told you silly $%*$&# !!"
jdee said:
All this hype over Young or any of the three top guys is just that, hype. There is no sure draft pick and as stated earlier just look at past drafts and see for yourself all the "sure thing" picks that were medicre or worse.
Ben Roethlisberger was picked #11 in 2004, behind Manning and Rivers and going into the draft people would have been saying that taking Roethlisberger as the #1 QB in that draft would have been lunacy. Right now he is by far the best QB of the draft. If San Diego or the Giants had traded down a few picks and taken Roethlisberger they would have been better off (except that San Diego of course did trade out for a ton of picks which makes my point). If in a year where the draft is loaded at a number of positions we have needs we were to trade down and get Cutler instead we could easily end up with the best QB and a bunch of picks. Not to mention we will have extra money to look at FAs with because we will not be paying a 3rd pick contract.
Soxcat said:
yep, yep ,yep
I think Cutler will be this drafts Roethlesberger
Soxcat said:
Also of note is that the "experts" said that Rothlesberger would take 2 years or more of sitting on the bench to be ready to start in the NFL.
Seems to me the Jets might be very interested in drafting Leinart.. with it being NYC, and Manning playing for the Giants, they need a big name player to compete...so maybe the Jets will trade us a player for dropping down 1..
No way do I trade down if i'm Floyd, unless someone gives me their first, second and third this year, and first and second next year. Whether it's one spot or ten spots down, no way. This type of pick (#3 overall) doesn't happen but about once every 12 years, you gotta take the best player there. Again I say we need quality player over quantity, we need vet help anyways, so go sign some solid FA, and draft just where you are at.
Don't forget the quarterback year that was supposedly the best draft ever featuring such studs at Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Cade McNown.
And I would say the Jets are pretty much screwed now that they gave Pennington a long term deal. Their only prayer is to sit back and hope Pennington can make a miraculous recovery.
I'm all for drafting Bush or Young, but what do we do about safety, LB, and OLine? We don't have a 3rd round pick and we will prob have limited money to spend in FA. Bush or Young could be the most amazing players ever but we will still have a crappy defense if we don't address it in a big way.
Looking on the bright side we do have enough money to find a few FAs to fill those gaps. No matter who we pick in the 1st round we should fill one of those spots nicely with our 2nd rounder. The other 2 can be addressed in the later rounds. Reese might be seriously looking to trade down in the 2nd round like he did last year if the guy(s) he wants can still be available a few picks later. Remember last year Roos and Barnes were both still available and even if someone had taken Roos right before our 9th pick we could have still taken a solid OT in Barnes (Barnes started 12 games this year at LT for the Jags and played well) if we wanted him. The same scenario might present itself this year where a couple of OL, LBs or Ss of similar value are on the board still and Reese trades out to take whoever lasts. This draft is deep at OT and LB which really helps us.
Nash said:
isnt the salary he is making good enough? i dont see a reason for him being owed anything! if our offense was lights out this year then maybe but i dont think he is in a position to demand anything IMO
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