take the top 5 guys in the draft
who do you think is the "SAFE" pick ?
Reggie Bush is explosive, but can he be an every down back ?
Vince Young is electric, but will he be able to throw overhand or 3step ?
Matt Leinart .... is he just a product of the system ?
D'Brickashaw Ferguson is an OL coaches dream and should be solid
AJ Hawk is a monster but is he that much better than the rest of the class ?
Keep in mind, this isn't a "who's better" poll
but "who's the better value / who will last the longest" kinda gig
we are trying to determine which of these guys will make the biggest impact over the longest amount of time.
who do you think is the "SAFE" pick ?
Reggie Bush is explosive, but can he be an every down back ?
Vince Young is electric, but will he be able to throw overhand or 3step ?
Matt Leinart .... is he just a product of the system ?
D'Brickashaw Ferguson is an OL coaches dream and should be solid
AJ Hawk is a monster but is he that much better than the rest of the class ?
Keep in mind, this isn't a "who's better" poll
but "who's the better value / who will last the longest" kinda gig
we are trying to determine which of these guys will make the biggest impact over the longest amount of time.
TitanJeff said:
yes sir, ..... it might stir the pot a little
it certainly gets your mind dancing
it's like playing GM simulator
it's an investment outlook
it's great to get the flashy player
if the production level falls too soon, it wasn't a very good investment
what's interesting is that :
(so far) no votes have been cast for Reggie or Vince
(so far) no votes have been cast for Reggie or Vince
just thought about someting else
McNair's contract negotitation could have alot to do with who we pick
obviouslly, if McNair talks fail and we trade Volek (doubtful that BOTH happen) then we would need the QB who's most capable of coming in and starting at some point this year
which might <edit> Young and support Leinart
McNair's contract negotitation could have alot to do with who we pick
obviouslly, if McNair talks fail and we trade Volek (doubtful that BOTH happen) then we would need the QB who's most capable of coming in and starting at some point this year
which might <edit> Young and support Leinart
you have to think longterm instead of just this year. we're going to struggle with a rookie qb regardless of who it is, might as well make it the more talented guy.
Even though he is not as flashy because he is a OT, Jeff Fisher has said that Ferguson has more upside then any other OT he has seen at this stage of his career.
Jeff looks at it like this :
what's more important - the protection ,or who you're trying to protect
i can guarantee that Jeff's looking for Hoppy's replacemement
(he's my guess at most useful for the longest amount of time)
he had Kiwi runnin' in circles trying to get by him
it's not a sexy pick ..... but prudent
what's more important - the protection ,or who you're trying to protect
i can guarantee that Jeff's looking for Hoppy's replacemement
(he's my guess at most useful for the longest amount of time)
he had Kiwi runnin' in circles trying to get by him
it's not a sexy pick ..... but prudent
bigtitan53279 said:
you'll know within 2-3 years whether he's gonna work out or not
how long are you willing to wait before you start that clock?
there's some leverage with Matt (knowledge of oc / system)
he's the most "pro-ready"
he's the most 'Titans' prepared
it's entirely possible that he can come in and perform to a level similar to that McNair displayed in '05, which would be an accomplishment for a rookie
it's a weird feeling though, I'm not sure I trust him
I'm not overly familiar with his career. but he's done some scary #$*& lately. in the Rose he looked like he was forcing it. I said "this is what Matt will look like against NFL defenses" - which was medi-ocre at best
it's weird .... i think he'd have an uphill climb to keep fans pleased
whereas Vince might get a little more slack due to his electricity
D'Brick firmly in the lead with 60% of the vote
not a single vote cast for Vince Young
not a single vote cast for Vince Young
Look this business is all about taking chances and when it comes to the draft there's never a "safe" pick. KVB is the perfect example, they took alittle risk and were rewarded with a Pro-Bowl DE. It doesn't always work out, but hey that's the way the cookie crumbles. Honestly I think if we took D'Brick we will be kicking ourselves in 2-3 years. Sure we may have a LT, but what about QB? Would suck if Leinhart or Young are tearing up the league while we have Billy or some poor excuse of a QB playing, screwing us over. In that case, the protection is useless. I think if you have the chance to get a franchise QB, you have to take it. If McNair was in his 5th or 6th season, I'd be all for drafting D'Brick, but Mac's no spring chicken. Also, there's no one later on who's worth it. Whitehurst, Hackney, Jacobs....no thanks. Hackney's a midget and erratic, Jacobs has just as many question marks as Vince and Whitehurst has injury/consistency problems.
titans2871 said:
I would say that says alot considering Fisher has seen quite a few OTs in his career. Brick is also the safest pick by far. The bottom line is games are won in the trenches and particularly on the OL. You can have the greatest skill position guys in the league but if you can't protect your QB and establish the run you will never be more than an average or less team.
I wasn't a big fan of picking Brick at first because there were a number of solid OTs in this draft and I had first assumed the difference in talent between Brick and the others might not be enough to justify such an early pick. However, it is becoming more and more apparent that this guy is a freak of nature and one of those guys that only comes around one time per decade. To say his name in the same breath as the top three or so OTs in the NFL right now is really saying something.
I think Brick is only considered the "safest" pick because his transition from the college to pro levels is much less than it is for a QB. I think either of the QBs or Bush have the potential to have a much bigger impact on the teams who draft them than Brick will on the team who drafts him.
If Young or Leinart (I doubt we get Bush) become great QBs you would be right. If they are only average or slightly better than average NFL ability the LT has the better impact. An average QB behind a great OL will put up as good or better numbers than a better QB without protection. Ask David Carr. He was a guy who was drafted to be a big "impact" on his team and certainly was in the same category as Young or Leinart when he was drafted. There is a fairly long list of potential big impact QBs who never amounted to anything in the NFL and who were not even considered average. For the QB to actually be a big impact player they would have to be well above average IMO and there is a big risk they can be so. Brick is as close to a sure thing as there will ever be in the draft. And it goes well beyond his physical ability. The guy has great intangibles as well.
you can take a great QB talent, throw him behind a crumbling line, and watch him take a beating with inadequate time to throw
relegating him to 'average' status
relegating him to 'average' status
DeutschTitan said:
how is KVB a "perfect" example ?
he had 4 sacks in 4 years with Arizona. 3.5 of those came in '02
3 of those years he had 11 tackles or less and only half a sack
in Cardinal's eyes, KVB is the perfect example of a 'bust'
I fully agree. But how many QBs have come out of college with the credentials of Young and Leinart? I would think these two are as close to a sure thing at QB as you can get.Soxcat said:
A no brainer..
QBs and RBs are always the higher risk for a total bust out. You rarely see a top OT who isn't at least a decent starter and hawk looks like money. Bush is the closest player to a sure thing at RB we have seen since barry sanders.
1. Ferguson
2. Hawk
3. Bush
4. Lienart
5. Young
On the other side of the coin you can ask which of the top prospects have the most potential to blow up the league and totally dominate.
1. Young
2. Bush
3. Lienart
4. hawk
5. ferguson
Of course a top OT isn't an impact player he is there to keep others from making an impact, upside the QBs head! With bulluck we have seen that even a top OLB can't make a defense decent. Based on what we saw in the rose bowl vince young can be the kind of player that will put an entire team on his back and win.
QBs and RBs are always the higher risk for a total bust out. You rarely see a top OT who isn't at least a decent starter and hawk looks like money. Bush is the closest player to a sure thing at RB we have seen since barry sanders.
1. Ferguson
2. Hawk
3. Bush
4. Lienart
5. Young
On the other side of the coin you can ask which of the top prospects have the most potential to blow up the league and totally dominate.
1. Young
2. Bush
3. Lienart
4. hawk
5. ferguson
Of course a top OT isn't an impact player he is there to keep others from making an impact, upside the QBs head! With bulluck we have seen that even a top OLB can't make a defense decent. Based on what we saw in the rose bowl vince young can be the kind of player that will put an entire team on his back and win.
Jeff...
I fully agree. But how many QBs have come out of college with the credentials of Young and Leinart? I would think these two are as close to a sure thing at QB as you can get.
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Actually not true jeff. Both players have some issues with arm strength. Issues that carson palmer and david carr did not have. Certainly manning didn't have any concerns there either. In the case of lienart you have a guy who did benefit from great talent around him. Awesome talent in bush. In the case of young you have a guy who will have to adjust to a different defense than what he played IN college. I'm not saying they are not great prospects worthy of our 3rd pick but they are probably not equal on paper anyway to carson palmer and some others.
I would rate young similar as a prospect to mcnabb coming out of syracuse in 1999. The eagles thought enough of mcnabb to take him 2nd that year. Mcnabb was a great prospect but maybe not a can't miss prospect. Certainly the eagles are pleased they took a chance on him.
I fully agree. But how many QBs have come out of college with the credentials of Young and Leinart? I would think these two are as close to a sure thing at QB as you can get.
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Actually not true jeff. Both players have some issues with arm strength. Issues that carson palmer and david carr did not have. Certainly manning didn't have any concerns there either. In the case of lienart you have a guy who did benefit from great talent around him. Awesome talent in bush. In the case of young you have a guy who will have to adjust to a different defense than what he played IN college. I'm not saying they are not great prospects worthy of our 3rd pick but they are probably not equal on paper anyway to carson palmer and some others.
I would rate young similar as a prospect to mcnabb coming out of syracuse in 1999. The eagles thought enough of mcnabb to take him 2nd that year. Mcnabb was a great prospect but maybe not a can't miss prospect. Certainly the eagles are pleased they took a chance on him.
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