You folks know what. I will go on record right now saying: THIS YEAR after his first offseason workout (first healthy offseason) (physical and technique workout) since becoming a Titan, an improved Andre will emerge at camp, battle Hill for the spot and earn not only his teammates respect (which he has anyway), but all of you fans. I started to say non-supportive, but I can't make that claim. A few of you may be supportive and just disgruntled. My challenge to you is to come back and show just as much support as you do criticism. Now don't get upset, what else would you call it, whether you believe it is warranted or not, it is criticism. So just as I did during the season at the times he shined, I will ask for your applause (Arizona game in particular, Baltimore and Miami games also).
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No way is Woolfolk a bust. He has contributed in coverage and tackles well. He was picked LATE in the first round.
Don't make him the scapegoat for an entire weak-a$$ defense. He gave up yards by playing soft, but honestly I don't remember him getting "burned" any more than Hill.
I'm mostly concerned that he appears "brittle" and injury prone. WU, I hope you're right about his off-season dedication. I'd also like to see the Titans get some new footwear. We have WAY TOO MANY high ankle sprains and MT fractures.
All you that are after him should take a stronger look at some of the "home grown" Titans that should be considered a bust. Calico, Henry, Fleming, Haynesworth's inconsistency, etc.
Don't make him the scapegoat for an entire weak-a$$ defense. He gave up yards by playing soft, but honestly I don't remember him getting "burned" any more than Hill.
I'm mostly concerned that he appears "brittle" and injury prone. WU, I hope you're right about his off-season dedication. I'd also like to see the Titans get some new footwear. We have WAY TOO MANY high ankle sprains and MT fractures.
All you that are after him should take a stronger look at some of the "home grown" Titans that should be considered a bust. Calico, Henry, Fleming, Haynesworth's inconsistency, etc.
WU, not sure how I got on the list, but ok. I definitely wouldn't say I haven't supported andre, but I have definitely been disappointed. I certainly hope he comes back and wins a corner spot next year and impresses everyone, and I'll cheer loudly for him when he does. I just haven't seen that many good things out of him in quite a while. I'm glad he had three good games, but that's really not enough for me in a 16 game season. However, I'll be there if he does come back strong... here's to hoping...
Riverman said:
Woolfolks list are option 1 voters 3801. Ain't no thing.
Just looks like an appeal to fans to stay on board to me.
Riverman said:
So if Roos, a mid second rounder never became a starter but was a solid backup he wouldn't be a bust? If the LB or Safety we take in the 2nd round this year ends up being a decent special team player only they are not going to be a bust? Sorry, 1st and 2nd round picks are expected to compete and take over starting postions before they become FAs or they are busts IMO. I would even extend that into the 3rd round.
If Calico can't break into the lineup as at least the #2 WR he would be a bust IMO also.
I think Woolfolk is in the same situation as Schifino was. He has outgrown the coaching staff, and would be better suited to go somewhere else and get a fresh start, either succeeding or not. He is a "TEEZER", he showes flashes of brilliance, enough to wet your appetite, and then he gets hurt, and this seems to drive the coaches crazy. I'm not hating, but, I feel he's just another one of those guys who will succeed out of their primary environment, his next team, where the expectations are not as high.
And this thread just reminds me of the same one we had last year before the season, where all the same stuff was said, but nothing was done in the season except losing out the starting corner job to a rookie.
And this thread just reminds me of the same one we had last year before the season, where all the same stuff was said, but nothing was done in the season except losing out the starting corner job to a rookie.
I think you've confused Woolfolk with Haynesworth.Jwill1919 said:
You're right. The same criticisms were made last year. Woolfolk proved all of them valid.Jwill1919 said:
Brian said:
true, but he at least shows that he might stay on the field, and then, boom, ingrown hair, or dislocated eyeball, cauliflower ear.:ha:
Soxcat said:
Exactly. I think it comes down to what is a "bust". We've had this discussion many times before. If your definition is ".. 1st and 2nd round picks are expected to compete and take over starting postions before they become FAs..." then Woolfolk did do that. He became a starter even though he didn't keep it. Your definition doesn't acknowledge the talent level of who might have taken the starting spot.
IMO, a bust pick is a pick where the player has contributed little to nothing relative to what else could have been had with the pick. Only rarely do situations play out where there is an obvious bust.
I still maintain Woolfolk has NFL starting skills. I think injuries and coaching (?defensive schemes) have impeded his development. I'm not convinced Hill is any better nor am I convinced that CB is the best position for Woolfolk.
Andre Woolfolk "has contributed little to nothing relative to" what Anquan Boldin has.Riverman said:
Brian said:
No doubt he has Woolfolk beat in # of receptions, YAC, TD's etc.:brow:
Riverman said:
Hill looked pretty good to me
Andre needs to work out with the Safeties and provide Nickle support
Puck said:
He got burned more than Andre, but he played tighter, had more picks and broke up more plays. Woolfolk tackles better. I don't know how to evaluate who is better.
I agree with you. I think he's best suited for nickel and maybe some FS.
Riverman said:
You just did. Unless you don't consider coverage an adequate barometer of a CBs skills. Deion Sanders couldn't tackle. The point is, Cover Corners are supposed to COVER, if they can't do that, who cares if they can tackle?:hmm:
Jwill1919 said:
Yeah, but the question remains "Is he a bust?" I don't buy into that. Woolfolk has skills, they haven't been developed. He has shown signs of being a good corner. He does play well (tight) in man coverage- the games he was soft he was playing cover 2 or other zone. He was getting beat on mostly slants, curls and outs. So, although his play has been a disappointment thus far, it is excessive to declare him a bust by any definition. It may be that his skills/style are best suited for nickel or FS.
Don't lose sight that our other CB's got burned deep frequently. And although I like Hill's aggressive style, it also cost us a few deep balls when he guessed (timed) wrong. Woolfolk's problem is his conservative style. He appears afraid of giving up the big play (reception or defensive pass interference) that he plays off the receiver and gets chewed up in small chunks. I think that is easily fixed with a little PLAYER DEVELOPMENT from the DB coach. I think we'd be foolish to give up on this guy. Can't say that about some of our other DB's.
Several of you appear to have a real lack of objectivity when evaluating Woolfolk.
Riverman said:
you know, there's only 4 more routes. I was wrong, he isn't a bust.:sad2:
As for Hill, don't lose sight of the fact he was a ROOKIE! If you saw any of the deep balls he was beat on, they were underthrown balls, which as we know are the hardest for a DB to cover. With a little more practice, route recognition and ball skills, he's gonna have that one down too.
Riverman said:
that speaks VOLUMES considering we're comparing a 7th round rookie to a 1st round guy who's been in the system awhile
Puck said:
Still the question is IS HE A BUST. He may not pan out to be as good a cover corner as Hill- that's not my (or the thread's) point.
As far as Hill, some balls were underthrown but his footwork was flawed on some. But he got burned deep plenty and looked like a girl trying to tackle on some plays. Hill plays aggressive and should learn LOADS this off-season- something that Woolfolk has not. My point with Woolfolk is he has skills but HE HASN'T FULLY DEVELOPED. It may be him, it may be injuries, it may be coaching influence. Regardless, it is too early to say he is a bust NFL player. Bust cover corner- maybe. "Bust" use of our first round pick-maybe. Bust nickel, FS or other NFL position- I don't think so.
Use KVB as an analogy- Arizona fans (and coaches) said he was a bust 2nd round pick. But after injuries healed and he got in a different system, he flourished. He had the skills but his development was delayed for one reason or another. Sometimes it takes a little more time to bring the best out of a player.
It is like stocks- it is not a loss until you sell it. If his development and performance doesn't progress this year then I'm willing to let it go. Woolfolk has had legitimate issues that have impeded his development thus far.
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