He’s probably already had another heart attack from watching.
You can’t even answer the question!!! You really are sleepy HT. Guess what you have to do to get a QB knockdown? PRESSURE THE QB!!!! It’s a relevant stat because it shows we are literally within a half second of a sack.
I told you they were dead last in QB knockdowns and 25th in 2018.
Until you can provide a legitimate answer to the question I am done with this conversation because you are bringing no value to this discussion. You are just ignoring and not answering legitimate questions being asked.
Also you said the Titans had the BEST secondary in the league that year. Not arguably. You said the best. Don’t try and change your words now.
They shouldve promoted Coombs to DC to keep him.
What does knockdowns in 2019 or 2018 have to do with the secondary?
If anything, being the Near the bottom at it and having such a good secondary in 2018 helps my point. The argument of what held the team back was pass rush.
You can capitalize “pressure the QB” all you want in reference to knockdowns, but pressure has its own stat in which the titans suck at.
Bottom line, spending big on a secondary (which is where this all started) with out a pass rush, which is a huge titans problem, doesn’t fix the D.
How can the Titans pull off a midseason defensive turnaround?
Echos a lot of what has been written in this thread. In addition, the article demonstrates that in some aspects, the defensive scheme the Titans are employing makes no sense. The example they give is blitzing seven to avoid a quick throw, but then have the corners playing 10 yards off. That example is something we have seen a lot of this season, even when they do not blitz, the corners are playing way too far off.
In the 2nd half of the Steelers game, that was an adjustment that the Titans defense made as the corners were playing a bit closer. Combine that with pressure being put Ben's way and that lead to the defense having much more success.
The biggest hope for this defense when Adoree returns is that it allows the corners to play a bit closer than having to be 10 or more yards off the LOS
Echos a lot of what has been written in this thread. In addition, the article demonstrates that in some aspects, the defensive scheme the Titans are employing makes no sense. The example they give is blitzing seven to avoid a quick throw, but then have the corners playing 10 yards off. That example is something we have seen a lot of this season, even when they do not blitz, the corners are playing way too far off.
In the 2nd half of the Steelers game, that was an adjustment that the Titans defense made as the corners were playing a bit closer. Combine that with pressure being put Ben's way and that lead to the defense having much more success.
The biggest hope for this defense when Adoree returns is that it allows the corners to play a bit closer than having to be 10 or more yards off the LOS
The difference between where we were on knockdowns in 2018-2019 and now should be telling about our pass rush now vs then.
It’s been explained already why our pressures and sacks are low. Knocking down the QB is more important than just pressuring the QB. The titans pass rush is close to getting sacks. Just need the coverage told hold longer.
Until you are willing to answer the questions and have legitimate conversation, I’m done here. Good day.
We’re going in circles again.
It’s awesome the titans can knock the QB around without getting the statistical credit (that would be the stat under PRESS) for the pressure you say they are getting. A little strange the statistical analysis of what you’re saying doesn’t show up under PRESS, only QB knockdowns.
It would also be nice if how close they are getting to the QB, knocking him down and all, would HURRY (also a quantified stat the titans are not good at) the QB at least a little. I’m sure some hurried throws would lead to more incomplete passes and maybe even an occasional 3rd down stop,
And still yet, I wonder if all those knockdowns will eventually get there just a hair faster to equate to an actual SACK (also a quantified stat the titans suck at).
Have no idea why their knockdowns are that high considering how bad their pass rush is. But it would seem the titans knock the QB down after he’s released the ball, which essentially does nothing based on the overall pass rush performance and how it’s “helped” the team.
I suppose this a fair question in retort.
How can a team with such low rankings in pressure, hurries, and sacks possibly be considered good at rushing the passer as you suggest?
I’ll also ask, with all those knockdowns, how has the defensive performance improved because of it? We all recognize the D overall is not playing well, so what have those knockdowns done?
Thank you!! More proof that this is true.
I'm done talking with that dude. He clearly wouldn't believe this is the issue if Vrabel came out and said it himself. I don't know how anyone can watch that video and saw the pass rush is a problem. Every last one of those throws came out Big Ben's hand quick. The first read is wide open every time, it's insane.
"In his article, Mike also mentions one commonality between nearly every quarterback the Titans have faced this year: they get the ball out of their hands nearly two-tenths of a second faster than their season average, which points to a coverage issue."
That 2 tenths of a second sure would turn some of those QB knockdowns into sacks I bet...
Another great quote:
"Recent analytics studies point to the theory that coverage is more important and more impactful on win totals in the NFL currently than the pass rush. The idea is that most offenses nowadays are designed to get the ball out of a quarterback’s hands so quickly that the pass rush is essentially negated if the coverage is not there, like the example above in SuperHorn’s tweet."
Really demonstrates that the major 2nd half adjustment was moving the corners in closer to the LOS and sending more pressure on third down. The other bonus was the tackling improved
Scheme wise, that has to be the adjustment Vrabel and Bowen make. Bring the corners in a little bit closer on third down so that the QB can't just git rid of it in 2 seconds to a receiver who can easily get YAC for a first down due to the secondary being so far off.
To me the dbs are instructed wrong. Never press and don't play close enough to players in zone. I get you may have 2 players encroach in your area but if you've got 1 and no one coming stay close to the guy.
in a nut shell we have Simmons playing at an elite level and everyone else is barely average. LBs, Ss and whoever plays opposite Butler have not played well so far. Pass rush isn't getting enough pressure. We aren't holding the edge very well against the run. We literally look like a team that went all out on offense and ignored the defense for the most part (elite QB, RB and Brown is basically elite at WR).
Now with that said it also means we have probably seen the worst. Losing Pees might have jostled things more than we expected, Adoree needs to get out there and basically everyone else needs to start playing at a level they are capable of playing at. It is basically the same personnel that played well in the playoffs when Adoree was healthy. Thus I expect to see improvement and guys like Byard stepping up their game. Just a little bit improvement across the board and play calling can make a difference and we have seen how valuable Adoree is.
Now with that said it also means we have probably seen the worst. Losing Pees might have jostled things more than we expected, Adoree needs to get out there and basically everyone else needs to start playing at a level they are capable of playing at. It is basically the same personnel that played well in the playoffs when Adoree was healthy. Thus I expect to see improvement and guys like Byard stepping up their game. Just a little bit improvement across the board and play calling can make a difference and we have seen how valuable Adoree is.
Oh, Next Gens stats had Big Ben's throws coming out just above 2 seconds. Very difficult for any team to get pressure and sacks when the ball is coming out that fast.
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Agreed. I loved the Coombs hire when it first happened, and was real bummed when he left. Massive blow, as was losing Pees. Not bringing in a proper DC was an awful decision. Really hurting out season.
The defense not only bad but also can’t catch a break. When we have great coverage the wideouts make incredible catches, sure sacks are now great escapes by qbs. Has to be frustrating beyond belief
What's also worth noting is that its just not the lack of expected production from the big names - Landry, Beasley, Clowney etc. Other rotational players have done nothing either.
When was the last time DQ Jones, Crawford, Robertson, Isaiah Mack did something of note. Those guys were adding a bit last season.
I write this having not checked snap counts.
When was the last time DQ Jones, Crawford, Robertson, Isaiah Mack did something of note. Those guys were adding a bit last season.
I write this having not checked snap counts.
FWIW Vrable denied ANY halftime adjustments vs stoolers... claims team just played better - LOL.... right
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