Why do we force people to live who don’t want to?
I’m not saying have suicide booths...we could like a 30 day EVAL and after that if you’re bent on offing yourself why shouldn’t we allow it?
I’m not saying have suicide booths...we could like a 30 day EVAL and after that if you’re bent on offing yourself why shouldn’t we allow it?
If a person wants to kill themselves, they sre free to do so. Noone is stopping them..
Cept they do
If a cop finds someone who slit their throat are you not obligated to save their life?
Liar
Well why we arguing if we’re in the same side here
Not sure what you mean by "allow it" There are any number of painless ways to kill yourself avaliable to virtually everyone. All of which don't require an accomplice.
There are plenty of reasons a society shouldn't condone suicide. Not least of which is the fact that it isn't a victimless act, as known by everyone who's ever had a loved one commit suicide.
Pretty telling the state of spirituality in the country when people are looking for logical reasons not to off themselves or allow others to off themselves.
There are plenty of reasons a society shouldn't condone suicide. Not least of which is the fact that it isn't a victimless act, as known by everyone who's ever had a loved one commit suicide.
Pretty telling the state of spirituality in the country when people are looking for logical reasons not to off themselves or allow others to off themselves.
That really isn't true. If you are in a nursing home or assisted living or a hospital, they are going to do what they can to prevent that. Even if you have no hope of anything but suffering the rest of your life.
I've always thought this is kind of twisted around. You know someone who is suffering and hopeless and you expect them to keep suffering to avoid causing YOU discomfort. I'm in no way endorsing suicide, but that seems pretty selfish to me.
Yes, I absolutely do. For multiple reasons. There's a handful of exceptions, such as terminal cancer patients who are in immense pain. In cases like that I agree. But we will limit it to people with no physical ailment.
First of all, life is suffering. Limit it as much as you possibly can. Suicide is just passing it on to others to avoid that responsibility. It's not that I doubt that people are suffering and hopeless, it's the opposite. Every one is suffering and hopeless to the extent that life is suffering and death is imminent.
Experiencing a prerequisite to life isn't an excuse to end it.
So yeah, killing yourself is a dick move. As far as why it shouldn't be condoned by society... The first reason is pretty obvious, you would like society to at least pretend it's existence can create a quality of life that is, at a minimum, worth seeing all the way through. Condoning suicide is to undermine the entire point of building anything on society.
And my least logical point for last... Don't be thinking your life is 100% yours to do with as you please. It's the Christian idea of the holy spirit. Your existence comes with it an obligation. Opting out is akin to refusing to pay back a debt, in my opinion.
Lets at least point out that many suicides or attempts are the efforts of a permanent situation to temporary problems.
Of the people I know take their own life, one of which was pretty close to me, if I had known that thought was crossing his mind, I would have done just about anything to help him.
Suicide isn’t about wanting to take their life for the sake of taking their life. It’s about trying to put a stop to pain/suffering/etc. there is help for that just like many other ailments, why not get them help.
Side note, every situation is different considering the details, but at no point do I consider suicide a “dick move”. It’s just irrational.
Of the people I know take their own life, one of which was pretty close to me, if I had known that thought was crossing his mind, I would have done just about anything to help him.
Suicide isn’t about wanting to take their life for the sake of taking their life. It’s about trying to put a stop to pain/suffering/etc. there is help for that just like many other ailments, why not get them help.
Side note, every situation is different considering the details, but at no point do I consider suicide a “dick move”. It’s just irrational.
Suicide is completely rational. You will suffer terribly in the remainder of your life. Fact. You are going to die anyway. Fact.
What's irrational about suicide?
The rationality of suicide is why we are having this conversation at all.
Exactly, which is why I proposed a 30 day EVAL period to see if the person can pull out of the mindset
If we are going to bring up Christianity, it isn't really our place to judge anyone else's relationship with God.
Well, as far as you're concerned....(you asked for it mr caffateria catholic)
2276 Those whose lives are diminished or weakened deserve special respect. Sick or handicapped persons should be helped to lead lives as normal as possible.
2277 Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable.
Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded.
2278 Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of "over-zealous" treatment. Here one does not will to cause death; one's inability to impede it is merely accepted. The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, whose reasonable will and legitimate interests must always be respected.
2279 Even if death is thought imminent, the ordinary care owed to a sick person cannot be legitimately interrupted. The use of painkillers to alleviate the sufferings of the dying, even at the risk of shortening their days, can be morally in conformity with human dignity if death is not willed as either an end or a means, but only foreseen and tolerated as inevitable Palliative care is a special form of disinterested charity. As such it should be encouraged.
Everyone else can ignore all that
What? Suffer terribly? Get them help so they aren’t suffering. As I brought up earlier, suicide in general is a permanent “fix” to a TEMPORARY problem.
Taking your own life is irrational. Nothing about that is rational.
I don't know how many of you all have experience with hospice or had a loved one in hospice who wasn't coming home but when the end is near, the process is expedited as painlessly for the patient as possible.
Allowing the terminally ill to choose how they leave this world and allowing them to do so with grace is very human.
If we can legally allow someone, a doctor or whomever to help them along out of this life as quickly and painlessly as possible then I don't see a problem.
Someone who is otherwise healthy and just doesn't want to be here anymore? You're on your own. Shotgun is probably pretty instant.
Allowing the terminally ill to choose how they leave this world and allowing them to do so with grace is very human.
If we can legally allow someone, a doctor or whomever to help them along out of this life as quickly and painlessly as possible then I don't see a problem.
Someone who is otherwise healthy and just doesn't want to be here anymore? You're on your own. Shotgun is probably pretty instant.
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