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I am not sure if this has been discussed, but if we cut Byard after June one, we save around 12 mill in cap space this year. I am pretty sure that this year we can find equal talent at a much lower price after June 1. What are your thoughts on this possibility?
 
I am not sure if this has been discussed, but if we cut Byard after June one, we save around 12 mill in cap space this year. I am pretty sure that this year we can find equal talent at a much lower price after June 1. What are your thoughts on this possibility?
Yeah why not cut henry too. Will save a bunch of money
 
I am not sure if this has been discussed, but if we cut Byard after June one, we save around 12 mill in cap space this year. I am pretty sure that this year we can find equal talent at a much lower price after June 1. What are your thoughts on this possibility?


I don’t think they will because of a few reasons... I disagree on finding equal talent for a lower price. I think you are basing your judgement of him on last season which is a mistake. It’s 1 year. Byard is a Top 10 NFL safety. He is only 27. He is very good. The entire defense played poorly last season. So I know some people hate to hear this, but COVID mattered and affected some players or teams more than others. Lack of a pass rush and injuries had players out of position and with no real leadership the defense was a mess. That’s on Vrabel.

I also don’t think you are correct on his cap hit. His salary escalates and is fully guaranteed oddly enough, TODAY. His dead cap is $17.1million. He isn’t going anywhere, But I surely could be wrong about this.

I think Byard will be a pleasure to watch again now that we have the makings of a great pass rush.
 
I don’t think they will because of a few reasons... I disagree on finding equal talent for a lower price. I think you are basing your judgement of him on last season which is a mistake. It’s 1 year. Byard is a Top 10 NFL safety. He is only 27. He is very good. The entire defense played poorly last season. So I know some people hate to hear this, but COVID mattered and affected some players or teams more than others. Lack of a pass rush and injuries had players out of position and with no real leadership the defense was a mess. That’s on Vrabel.

I also don’t think you are correct on his cap hit. His salary escalates and is fully guaranteed oddly enough, TODAY. His dead cap is $17.1million. He isn’t going anywhere,

I think Byard will be a pleasure to watch again now that we have the makings of a great pass rush.

I hope you are right on his talent assessment. And if you are, cutting him would be a mistake.

on the dollars, I am using over the cap which has his current cap hit at 15 mill but dropping to 3.3 mill after June 1. So maybe that site is just wrong?
 
I don’t think they will because of a few reasons... I disagree on finding equal talent for a lower price. I think you are basing your judgement of him on last season which is a mistake. It’s 1 year. Byard is a Top 10 NFL safety. He is only 27. He is very good. The entire defense played poorly last season. So I know some people hate to hear this, but COVID mattered and affected some players or teams more than others. Lack of a pass rush and injuries had players out of position and with no real leadership the defense was a mess. That’s on Vrabel.

I also don’t think you are correct on his cap hit. His salary escalates and is fully guaranteed oddly enough, TODAY. His dead cap is $17.1million. He isn’t going anywhere, But I surely could be wrong about this.

I think Byard will be a pleasure to watch again now that we have the makings of a great pass rush.

From this link his contract is not fully guaranteed: Kevin Byard

Show 70 mill with 31 mill guaranteed.
 
I hope you are right on his talent assessment. And if you are, cutting him would be a mistake.

on the dollars, I am using over the cap which has his current cap hit at 15 mill but dropping to 3.3 mill after June 1. So maybe that site is just wrong?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/kevin-byard-19013/



Read that and see if my old eyes are reading it correctly. Looks like it says down towards the bottom that his salary is fully guaranteed for 2021 on 3-21-2021. They restructured him last season.
 
I don’t think they will because of a few reasons... I disagree on finding equal talent for a lower price. I think you are basing your judgement of him on last season which is a mistake. It’s 1 year. Byard is a Top 10 NFL safety. He is only 27. He is very good. The entire defense played poorly last season. So I know some people hate to hear this, but COVID mattered and affected some players or teams more than others. Lack of a pass rush and injuries had players out of position and with no real leadership the defense was a mess. That’s on Vrabel.

I also don’t think you are correct on his cap hit. His salary escalates and is fully guaranteed oddly enough, TODAY. His dead cap is $17.1million. He isn’t going anywhere, But I surely could be wrong about this.

I think Byard will be a pleasure to watch again now that we have the makings of a great pass rush.
I agree with this and hope you are right about Byard. At times last season, he looked like he forgot how to play football. Lots of factors beyond him.
 
No way. With a good pass rush byard will have more opportunities to get picks. He did really well picking qbs under pressure until this year when we had no pressure
 
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/kevin-byard-19013/


Read that and see if my old eyes are reading it correctly. Looks like it says down towards the bottom that his salary is fully guaranteed for 2021 on 3-21-2021. They restructured him last season.

Oh, you are saying just for this year. Sure, but that is not how the cap works. If we cut him June 1 he still gets the money for the year, but our cap hit drops from 15 mill to 3 mill. So we are talking about different things.
 
Appreciate the thoughts on his talent here. If he really is not regressing then I certainly get keeping him. But if Robinson feels his talen isn’t worth the money it would be the perfect time to move on.
 
Byard did get blown out a couple of times last year. But when a qb has 10 seconds to throw the ball that'll happen. From what I remember he was always 2 3 yards out of his receiver ready for the tackle. Also he had stellar season the year before so qbs would've been reluctant to throw into his coverage.

So what I'm trying to say is fix the fucking pass rush.
 
Oh, you are saying just for this year. Sure, but that is not how the cap works. If we cut him June 1 he still gets the money for the year, but our cap hit drops from 15 mill to 3 mill. So we are talking about different things.


Aaahhhh... so what is the dead cap number then?
 
Aaahhhh... so what is the dead cap number then?

I am guessing it is 14 mill. We eat 3 of the 17 this year and spread the rest out over the rest of the contract. I think that is how it works.

So the dead hit for this year would be 3 mill but we take the rest in hits later.
 
No.

of the other cuts at least SOME player was on the roster to replace the cut.
Byard had a down year but was absolutely earning his future paychecks the years prior.
Keep him, pay the money, allow the defense to get better.
 
We save absolutely nothing cutting him. The dead CAP is actually 2 mil more than we save. We would save some cash but I'm not sure that is the objective. The way he has been playing he is probably over paid right now but not in a position to cut him. Actually the only option would be to extend him a year or so pushing is $11 mil base across the rest of the contract to save money this year.
 
He has been pretty dang good 3 out of 4 years. Yes last year was down, but I dont blame him when the entire defense was awful and almost every player on the defense "regressed".
 
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