Oh trust me, fans will figure out a way to televise it to the world. I can see Rub and Tug signs being everywhere with his likeness on it, vagina hats, #metoo, etc.
…and I don’t care what he thinks either. But what does that have to do with my post? I wasn’t posting at him? You a Watson fan? If so I’m sorry, but the truth is he may never play again. he wont play this year, then comes the 2 year or more suspension. Then those millions of dollars will be taken away by the Browns and then his victims will get paid.
game over….
Saw earlier one girl was there day one and he posed in yoga and asked for his grundle to be rubbed… day two (as if that should happen) cock in mouth question, then a third day!?? Sounds to me he had plenty success as awful a human being as he is. This girl went back 3 times. As soon as the taint run on day one, girl should of dipped out.
You got it bad dude.
I don’t care what Watson does or doesn’t do. I’m mostly irritated by the BS notion that at NONE of the plaintiff “massage therapists” routinely give happy endings. That’s just part of the business. And the vindictive self righteous witch hunt behavior out to get a guy’s livelihood in the process.
Watson was wrong. Watson was a dumbass. But he didn’t commit a crime- that’s been determined by a grand jury.
and also to be clear before you or any other hyper-judgemental folks suggest it, I personally don’t condone or participate in happy ending massages. But it does occur, and MUCH more than the pitchfork crowd wants to admit. Especially more than represented by a plaintiffs attorney working for a big payday.
I watched an interview by a legal analyst say there is a chance he walks and doesn’t get suspended because law enforcement decided there wasn’t enough evident to prosecute. I find that hard to believe that there would be no suspension given the latitude the NFL has, but it may be only 6 games and that’s the end of it. Since an arbitrator will decide his fate, who knows. Sorry, before you ask, I don’t remember the analyst’s name or have the link as I wasn’t thinking about posting it at the time.
big market means less shield tarnish... if the scumbag was in Nashvegas or Jacksonville he would miss a season and a 'show cause' to be reinstated at the end of it, but with brownies I say 6 games cause ... why not
The plot thickens.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...she-believes-deshaun-watson-committed-crimes/
The longer this drags out, the worse it looks. Regardless of what your opinion is about Watson's situation, it's not a good marketing strategy for the NFL.
At the end of the day, it's all about the dollar and I expect that to be the biggest factor in whatever decision is made.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...she-believes-deshaun-watson-committed-crimes/
The longer this drags out, the worse it looks. Regardless of what your opinion is about Watson's situation, it's not a good marketing strategy for the NFL.
At the end of the day, it's all about the dollar and I expect that to be the biggest factor in whatever decision is made.
Doesn't matter what she thinks- grand jury already decided no crimes. All civil now. And if her statement says crimes committed because money changed hands for sexual activity- which defeats the plaintiffs argument.
not really... I mean we all know anyone accepting second or more appointment KNEW exactly what was going on and were in fact prostitutes
It matters in the
It matters in the civil cases though. A jury (or juries) may well decide in their favor. It also matters in regards to NFL suspensions in that they weigh the APPEARANCE of tarnishing the league image.
Until it sparks an investigation of the PA's office and what was allowed to be presented to the grand jury and why. The Texans involvement in DWs activities is already getting a second look.
I don't know anything beyond what I read about this nonsense, but I have a feeling that this might wind up affecting more people than DW and the 24 plaintiffs before it ends.
Think we can all agree Watson is a creep. Also abused his position to try and get his "happy ending". Yes it happens in the industry but that doesn't make it acceptable, nor should the customer pressurise the masseuse into such positions. That is harassment and do you think he'd have some dude masseuse massage around his junk. Obviously not because surely his dip shit lawyer would bring this guy out to testify.
I’ve got it right, not bad. You have a horribly outdated opinion of the world. Even if someone is a sex worker they Can In Fact say NO. Thy aren’t lesser class citizens. There is however NO prove any of these women were/are sex workers. Watson in the educated expert opinions of those in Law Enforcement who investigated this committed crimes. It appears the Grand Jury process may have been compromised by Hardin, which is why Watson hired a criminal defense lawyer, not a civil attorney. Read the statement of the HPD Investigator that worked the cases. Why wasn’t she allowed to talk to certain victims? Why wasn’t she called to testify before the GJ, which is common practice? Why weren’t the complainants allowed to testify? How do you review 10 plus cases in 5.5 hours when cases like this routinely get reviewed by GJs for days each? Kim Oggs Harris County DAs office is literally the worst in history. There is a brewing scandal that will probably bring her down. It’s not just the Watson case. You hire a bunch of political hacks and defense attorneys and run off great career prosecutors you get a corrupt office.
Also… a little law lesson for you. Just because 1 GJ failed to indict doesn’t mean another will see it the same. There is no double jeopardy. Watson still has tremendous exposure. Plus you have the Feds as well. Watson is a bad guy. The evidence was there to go to trial. Something funky happened between Hardin and the ADA.
On Buzbee…. He isn’t looking for a big payday. He doesn’t need it…He is worth approx $700 million already. He isn’t some hack. He originally turned the case down.
Why you think Watson is a victim I have no idea. It is so in the minority opinion. Most every sees what he is. He is a scumbag criminal predator. The facts are truly overwhelming. If not for his fame, athletic ability and money he would already be in jail. That’s privilege.
But maybe I’m wrong…, or as you put it. Bad.
That will make it easy, just bring in 10 or so guys who received happy endings from each massage therapist. That would blow their credibility out of the water.
Just FYI, the average amount of time a grand jury spends on each case in Harris County is about 15 minutes or less. More often than not, the prosecutor only reads the probable cause statement and gives a short presentation to them. Calling witnesses isn't the norm, it's the exception. If a DA wanted an officer's take/opinion, they would just read it from the probable cause statement.
In addition, there is nothing unusual in of itself for the defense attorney to keep in touch with the prosecuting DA on a case before it is presented to a grand jury when the defense attorney thinks it is a close case. However, I will say the amount of contact Hardin had with the prosecutor is certainly well above average. For me it's usually only a couple of emails back and forth. While certainly not routine, defense attorneys do sometimes give prosecutors a packet of information, sometimes called a grand jury packet, if the prosecutor agrees to give it to the grand jurors. The Public Defender's Office in Harris County does this a lot from what I have heard.
Of course, the DA could also re-present the case to a different grand jury so long as the alleged offenses are still within the applicable statute of limitations. More women continuing to come forward could lead Ogg to present it again, and honestly I think that is why the officers went to the media (to get more women to come forward and shame the DA). However, Kim Ogg is a little preoccupied in her feud with the County Judge.
Regardless of any potential criminal liabilities, this has been a PR nightmare for the NFL and I expect they will reign hell on Watson once they are prepared to do so. That civil trial may also not go so well for Watson, but with Buzbee saying he wants to add the Texans as a defendant as well, then that civil case could get dragged out for a while. 24 women is still 24 women at the end of the day, and it is only natural to believe that something must have happened, that all of these women cannot be liars.
In general, a party cannot introduce prior acts to attack a person's character for truthfulness. The witness themselves would have to open the door to that evidence. Their allegation by itself isn't usually enough. Though if Hardin has such evidence, I imagine he will find a way to at least attempt to get into evidence as there are plenty of questions he could ask that could get a witness to open the door to such evidence.
Texas Rule of Evidence 608(b): Specific Instances of Conduct. Except for a criminal conviction under Rule 609, a party may not inquire into or offer extrinsic evidence to prove specific instances of the witness’s conduct in order to attack or support the witness’s character for truthfulness.
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Me love you long time. 50 dorrah
I know we live in a world of cancel culture, so anything is possible, but it's gonna be tough to prove he committed a crime. It's reprehensible what he's done. But without proof or the DA bringing up charges, the Browns will be forced to pay him, and if they are paying him, they're likely gonna play him.
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