I'll have to look...it was a Supplemental Draft but not sure what it cost getting him from the Memphis team
Just to put it out there, back in the day before uppercase, lowercase, # passwords, Ray Childress was an often used password. Beast player!
So four Super Bowls about the last what, 30? So almost 90% of the time you need a great QB to win a Super Bowl. And those examples you give did not just have a great player at another position but an in ordinate amount of them to over come the weakness at QB. Thank you for proving my point.
Oh please! No QB has won without fantastic teams. Peyton won his 2nd with no arm.... All of Brady’s teams have had excellent players, especially on defense. Giants got two- pretty real sure the other Manning was not the reason. Why has Rodgers only won one? He not great or something? What did Mahomes look like without his Tackles last year? Looked like he was a victim running in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie. Your point sucks, and you should feel bad.
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ost 4 SB chit QBs and I guess those were the only ones to look at in 30 years....:disappointed:
ost 4 SB chit QBs and I guess those were the only ones to look at in 30 years....:disappointed:Joe Flacco had “an inordinate amount” of great players to cover for him?
I think it’s relevant to point out the QBs who were only 1 game away from winning it all.
Jared Goff, Colin Kapernick/Alex smith, Matt Hasselbeck, Rex grossman/Kyle orton, cam Newton, Steve McNair, Jake delhomme, Kerry Collins, all made it to the SB, most of which lost to the buzz saw that is Tom Brady/Bellicheck. (All since 99’)
tons more examples of teams carrying mediocre QBs to conference championship games.
A superstar QB absolutely helps buts is absolutely NOT required to win a SB.
He would have noticed that very point had he quoted our immediate response after I posted those "4" examples.
Yep, missed them.
Nope, not required. Only 26 times out of 30.
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The only other one I saw was Nick Foles. I went through the list of the last 30 winners.
Supporting cast will always matter. But the consistent factor year in and year out is having a great QB. In both Raven wins they had a dominant defense, and one year it was perhaps the best ever assembled. The Bucs with Brad Johnson was similar. Broncos in Manning’s last year was the same story. So sure, if you have a world class defense then yes, you can win with an average QB. But this is an argument about one player making the biggest difference in winning a super bowl. If you have great players at every level of a defense they can, a couple of times a decade, win the super bowl. But far more often, having a great quarterback with an adequate defense gets the job done.
I am not being picky, but are you saying that Brady did not have fantastic defenses when he won his SBs? Serious question. I can't run it off the top of my head, but they must of been at least 15 or better. Better than half the league at the time.
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2012 ravens ranked 12th in Def points, 17th by yards. Super elite.
last 30 SB
Rypien
Aikman
Steve Young
Favre
Elway
Warner
Dilfer
Johnson
Brady
Roethlisberger
Peyton Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Wilson
Foles
Flacco
Eli Manning
Mahomes
you count 26 out of 30 as superstar QBs?
Let’s also keep in mind that Peytons second SB win was an awful QB year (arguably the worst ever to win a SB) and Big Ben’s first SB year was mediocre at best.
Eli isn’t considered part of that same “elite” level as the rest, unless you think he is.
We already established dilfer, Johnson, Flacco, and Foles are not there
At the 30 year mark is 1 year wonder Mark Rypien.
So in 30 years, I count 9 mediocre or worse QBto win. That’s almost 1/3. the fact that the same QBs repeated so many times doesn’t really help your point knowing how may QBs are that “elite” level not winning.
NOT required.
last 30 SB
Rypien
Aikman
Steve Young
Favre
Elway
Warner
Dilfer
Johnson
Brady
Roethlisberger
Peyton Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Wilson
Foles
Flacco
Eli Manning
Mahomes
you count 26 out of 30 as superstar QBs?
Let’s also keep in mind that Peytons second SB win was an awful QB year (arguably the worst ever to win a SB) and Big Ben’s first SB year was mediocre at best.
Eli isn’t considered part of that same “elite” level as the rest, unless you think he is.
We already established dilfer, Johnson, Flacco, and Foles are not there
At the 30 year mark is 1 year wonder Mark Rypien.
So in 30 years, I count 9 mediocre or worse QBto win. That’s almost 1/3. the fact that the same QBs repeated so many times doesn’t really help your point knowing how may QBs are that “elite” level not winning.
NOT required.
His first 3 SB had solid defenses. His first, he was almost a non factor w/ around 2700, 17/10 or close to that.
He also had this guy named Randy Moss at one time, Gronk, Welker, Eddleman, Hernandez. I know a bunch of scrubs too, but it ain't like he had nothing when he was winning the big games.
Don't think he won with Moss, that other scrub QB ruined their perfect season I think....
Young, Warner, Breez were loaded too!
Maybe top 15. But top 15 is very different than top in league or top of all time.
Looked at a few, 11,12, 14, 15 with top tier offense pretty real good team. I’d take that! We had a 12 Defense last year, Titans probably have a Lombardi
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