Star...
I'm not trying to bash you with this mentor thing but i just don't know who that would be that could be a decent backup player who would also want to go out of his way to help a vince young. You see one poster mentioning ty detmer as if baby sitting young is what is important where the real issue is bringing in someone who could play.
Guys who may be good babysitters for young like a detmer or maybe a jeff blake or a neil odonnell are #3 QBs not what we need. Vince will be our #3 guy.
I mentioned patrick ramsey. I don't know how he fits into the jets plans but he could be an affordable #2 for us and even push volek for the starting job. We can't expect him to mentor young since he will be coming into a new system himself.
Ramsey is signed through 2007 and makes less than what volek makes.
I'm not trying to bash you with this mentor thing but i just don't know who that would be that could be a decent backup player who would also want to go out of his way to help a vince young. You see one poster mentioning ty detmer as if baby sitting young is what is important where the real issue is bringing in someone who could play.
Guys who may be good babysitters for young like a detmer or maybe a jeff blake or a neil odonnell are #3 QBs not what we need. Vince will be our #3 guy.
I mentioned patrick ramsey. I don't know how he fits into the jets plans but he could be an affordable #2 for us and even push volek for the starting job. We can't expect him to mentor young since he will be coming into a new system himself.
Ramsey is signed through 2007 and makes less than what volek makes.
I still think we just stay with Volek as our starter and Mauck and Vince behind him. The way Fisher talked on "Titans Cam" yesterday they are not going to rush Vince into the lineup but he also said a timetable has'nt been set as far as when he will be ready to start. To me, that sounds like they dont feel he will have to sit for 2 years, just til they and he are ready to plug him in.
Dilfer for Mac?
I heard yesterday on Sirius that Trent Dilfer wants out of Cleveland. What if we traded Mac for Dilfer? Not only would we get a proven vet, but we would stick it to Baltimore by sending Mac to a division opponent, and stick it to Mac by sending him to Cleveland.
Dilfer did a great job in Seattle leading their team and getting Hasselbeck ready to take over. Plus, how great would it be to beat Baltimore with Dilfer as our QB?
I heard yesterday on Sirius that Trent Dilfer wants out of Cleveland. What if we traded Mac for Dilfer? Not only would we get a proven vet, but we would stick it to Baltimore by sending Mac to a division opponent, and stick it to Mac by sending him to Cleveland.
Dilfer did a great job in Seattle leading their team and getting Hasselbeck ready to take over. Plus, how great would it be to beat Baltimore with Dilfer as our QB?
Don't we also have a QBs coach? What's he do during them game?
Anyways, I wish McNair would sign something that would keep him around for a year or two, then have something to opt out/trade out for the last year. He obviously still thinks he's got it (for the record, I do too), but wants guaranteed #1 QB money beyond when the Titans want to pay him as the #1...I'm almost to terms with Volek as the #1, which will boost HIS trade value in a year or two.
If mentoring is really important (and the model for success is there - see Carson Palmer/Eli Manning vs Joey Harrington/Tim Couch), then hire NOD as a glorified extra QB coach...someone that can talk to VY during the game and teach him what to watch out for. Then sign Ty Law and put Pacman on the bench/up for sale.
Anyways, I wish McNair would sign something that would keep him around for a year or two, then have something to opt out/trade out for the last year. He obviously still thinks he's got it (for the record, I do too), but wants guaranteed #1 QB money beyond when the Titans want to pay him as the #1...I'm almost to terms with Volek as the #1, which will boost HIS trade value in a year or two.
If mentoring is really important (and the model for success is there - see Carson Palmer/Eli Manning vs Joey Harrington/Tim Couch), then hire NOD as a glorified extra QB coach...someone that can talk to VY during the game and teach him what to watch out for. Then sign Ty Law and put Pacman on the bench/up for sale.
RollTide said:
The poster mentioned Detmer because of his familiarity with Chow's system - meaning its more likely that Detmer could contribute early on than Ramsey who would have to learn Chow's decision. So I think you make a better case for bringing in Detmer. He'd be better as a No. 2 cause he's pretty much good to go. Who cares about babysitting. I agree with that. Vince does not need a babysitter.
Tuckfro42 said:
Good idea, make the ratbirds acquire from the stains if they won't deal with us.
You guys are joking right?
Matt mauck-This guy was a project-experiment last year. The titans saw some good qualities to they gave him a try to see if he had a future as an nfl QB. Well he is not. He will not be on this team when we break camp. The notion that he would be our #2 guy is fantasy based. We need a guy who is not much of a drop off if billy goes down. Mauck isn't it!
ty detmer-Will be 39 years old in october. 39! He has not thrown a pass in an nfl game for the last 4 years. Who in the hell could possibly think that this guy should be starting games for us and we know that billy is going to get hurt and our #2 will be starting some games. Goodness gracious! We are supposed to put a washed up over the hill rag armed 3rd string guy in a signifcant position just because he played with chow 15 years ago?
Matt mauck-This guy was a project-experiment last year. The titans saw some good qualities to they gave him a try to see if he had a future as an nfl QB. Well he is not. He will not be on this team when we break camp. The notion that he would be our #2 guy is fantasy based. We need a guy who is not much of a drop off if billy goes down. Mauck isn't it!
ty detmer-Will be 39 years old in october. 39! He has not thrown a pass in an nfl game for the last 4 years. Who in the hell could possibly think that this guy should be starting games for us and we know that billy is going to get hurt and our #2 will be starting some games. Goodness gracious! We are supposed to put a washed up over the hill rag armed 3rd string guy in a signifcant position just because he played with chow 15 years ago?
It is not a Vince Young thing is a Titan thing. If they had drafted Cutler or Lienert their thinking would have been the same. Not only QBs, the Titans are notorious for bringing players along slowly, i.e Chris Brown, D Mase, Andre Dyson.RollTide said:
Caphorn said:
no offense, but I think Chow's system may have changed since he coached Detmer ... that was what ? 20 years ago
Ok. Twice attacked is good enough. I'll concede that Ramsey sucks less than an age-old raggedy Detmer who may not remember anything that Chow taught him way back in the golden olden days.
Mstitan...
I agree don't rush young. So who is going to play QB in the meantime? We have volek for one season under contract. What if he goes down with an injury? Or rather i should say when he goes down with an injury who will play?
I see our QB situation basically like this.
2006-#1-Billy volek, #2- another capable vet, #3- vince young.
2007-#1-The other capable vet(volek will be gone), #2-vince young, #3-Who knows? Maybe cody hodges.
2008-#1 vince young
Now vince will play, certainly in 2007 he will play and if he does well maybe he starts sooner.
I agree don't rush young. So who is going to play QB in the meantime? We have volek for one season under contract. What if he goes down with an injury? Or rather i should say when he goes down with an injury who will play?
I see our QB situation basically like this.
2006-#1-Billy volek, #2- another capable vet, #3- vince young.
2007-#1-The other capable vet(volek will be gone), #2-vince young, #3-Who knows? Maybe cody hodges.
2008-#1 vince young
Now vince will play, certainly in 2007 he will play and if he does well maybe he starts sooner.
Whoever the vet QB will be, he should be cheap. Vet Min Cheap. I like the idea of using Vinny, but not unless he's cheap.
Caphorn
Dude nobody is attacking you. Your idea showed great insight it's just that you didn't realize how old he is or how inactive he has been. He is a year younger than troy aikman.:bricks:
Dude nobody is attacking you. Your idea showed great insight it's just that you didn't realize how old he is or how inactive he has been. He is a year younger than troy aikman.:bricks:
if we end up trading mcnair to the ravens they should give us boller hes not that good..... but still not terrible
Wow I didn't realize Detmer was older than me, funny how time flies. How the heck did he stay in the NFL for 15 years. Are there any 8-9 year vets out there worth bringing in?
Bill....
Wow I didn't realize Detmer was older than me, funny how time flies.
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He used to be younger than you.:lol:
Wow I didn't realize Detmer was older than me, funny how time flies.
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He used to be younger than you.:lol:
Austin_Bill said:
It helps your durability when you suck bad enough that you never see any playing time to get hit or concussed.
Rethinking my position...
I'm thinking that even with a grasp of only 2/3 of the playbook and little game experience vince young can be close to the caliber of player that micheal vick is and better than almost any guy we are talking about. I watch footage of this guy and he has unbelievable anticipation and instinct.
Vick is no better a player now than he was in his first full year as a starter. He was actually more effective then. What has years of playing done for him?
Why shouldn't we think that vince could be as effective a passer as a ramsey, harrington or a boller? And with his awesome running ability the guy can be effective and win games..
All VY has done is put points on the board and win games. He beat michigan, ohio state, oklahoma and USC. He beat the best there is in college football.
Maybe he is much more ready than most people think.
I'm thinking that even with a grasp of only 2/3 of the playbook and little game experience vince young can be close to the caliber of player that micheal vick is and better than almost any guy we are talking about. I watch footage of this guy and he has unbelievable anticipation and instinct.
Vick is no better a player now than he was in his first full year as a starter. He was actually more effective then. What has years of playing done for him?
Why shouldn't we think that vince could be as effective a passer as a ramsey, harrington or a boller? And with his awesome running ability the guy can be effective and win games..
All VY has done is put points on the board and win games. He beat michigan, ohio state, oklahoma and USC. He beat the best there is in college football.
Maybe he is much more ready than most people think.
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