Torch7 said:
Anytime. As a 6' 01", 120 pound senior, running was the only thing I did better than the rest of the team. :ha:
Torch7 said:
Went from Wide-out to Left-Out. :brow:
I saw more stars that year than a Japanese tourist on Highway One. :stars:
After the 3rd time the ball crossed the goal line before I did, the coach said I'd catch as many balls running track as I would playing for him.:yell2:
Torch...
Running the 40 is not mandatory at pro-day.
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It is mandatory for a player who will be drafted high in large part because of his superior athleticism. Why would vince not be prepared to run? Did he expect to not run at all before the draft? This is a guy who is supposed to be one of the great athletes ever to come out at that position but he had no desire to run and still has not done any lifting, jumping or any other activity.
Hey he doesn't have to participate in any of these drills, the reason he does participate is to get drafted higher.. If he was not properly prepared to run that's his problem.
Running the 40 is not mandatory at pro-day.
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It is mandatory for a player who will be drafted high in large part because of his superior athleticism. Why would vince not be prepared to run? Did he expect to not run at all before the draft? This is a guy who is supposed to be one of the great athletes ever to come out at that position but he had no desire to run and still has not done any lifting, jumping or any other activity.
Hey he doesn't have to participate in any of these drills, the reason he does participate is to get drafted higher.. If he was not properly prepared to run that's his problem.
RollTide said:
Why is everything about Vince so personal... I could care less what he runs in the forty. As I said in my post, "I don't agree with the stance" but its his choice to make.
I still contend anyone who has seen him on film or in person, knows he is faster than the 4.57 indicates.
Again, him not running was more of a reference to the ESPN article that chastised him for sitting on his laurels.
He wants to be the best, but he doesn't practice to run, he says he is motivated to shhhh the naysayers, but he still doesn't blow anyone away except for some homers.
He wants to be the best, but he doesn't practice to run, he says he is motivated to shhhh the naysayers, but he still doesn't blow anyone away except for some homers.
Honestly, he doesn't have a sprinter's build. He has really long legs and a long stride- he's not that well suited physically to run a 40yd dash. His technique was average at best, I'm certain he could have shaved time off with an improved stance and keeping low longer.
I suspect he didn't want to run because he knew he wouldn't "fly" and didn't want to distract attention from the major press criticism of his throwing. When he heard the grumbling, he cooperated. That is good attitude. He ran one time only.
I'm not at all concerned with his time. The kid can run fast, make good cuts and lane decisions on the field. There is no "pro-day" or combine drill to test "vision"- apparently one of his best attributes.
I am a Young fan because I sense an "unstoppable" potential in him that I don't in the other two (maybe Cutler has it). When you have a QB that can throw well and then "tuck and run" as a check-down option, as well as it appears Young can, defenses are very hard pressed to make a stop. It also gives the offense a great "ball control" option.
I suspect he didn't want to run because he knew he wouldn't "fly" and didn't want to distract attention from the major press criticism of his throwing. When he heard the grumbling, he cooperated. That is good attitude. He ran one time only.
I'm not at all concerned with his time. The kid can run fast, make good cuts and lane decisions on the field. There is no "pro-day" or combine drill to test "vision"- apparently one of his best attributes.
I am a Young fan because I sense an "unstoppable" potential in him that I don't in the other two (maybe Cutler has it). When you have a QB that can throw well and then "tuck and run" as a check-down option, as well as it appears Young can, defenses are very hard pressed to make a stop. It also gives the offense a great "ball control" option.
SupDawg said:
Lots of people who have seen Young, especially up close are impressed with him. I haven't seen much of Cutler, so you don't see me commenting on him, I have seen Matt Leinhart a few times and you don't see me doing much commenting on him, except in comparison type posts.... To say that we are homers because we see something special in this kid, is just as bad, as callin' him a bust and he hasn't had the opportunity to acheive on the next level.
Certainly there was no-one who acheived as much this year on the collegiate level.
My loyalty to the Longhorns, has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion of Vince, I formed it before he signed his letter of intent, and he hasn't failed to meet expectations on every level.
Vince is not a guaranteed success, but if you measure him by the same measuring stick with the others, you have to admit they are all in the same league, one may be obviously better than another in a certain aspect of the game,you may think one is better, but when taken as total packages, they all bring something to the table, they are still in the same league thus far. Why we tend to put them on polar opposites to compare them, and make our opinion stand out, I don't know.
If the Titans feel VY is anything close to Cutler and Leinart in his ability to read defenses and deliver the ball he should be the top QB because of his running ability. His running ability is not a question and I'm sure at his private workout the Titans spent 0 time concerned with that phase of his game except to see how he could roll or sprint out and make throws.
Torch...
Personal? What the hell are you talking about? The guy is supposed to be the best damn athlete to come out at QB since vick and he didn't want to run a 40!
Of course you don't care what he runs because you don't make a million dollars a year to make these decisions. You won't get fired because you drafted the wrong guy. Common sense would tell you that nfl teams that spent a lot of money to see this man workout might want to see him run before they use a 3rd pick on him. Daaaaa.
You actually used his being unprepared as an excuse. Is that what the titans want with their third pick? A guy who is not prepared for the most basic obvious drills?
Are you telling me that it would be normal for a top prospect to not run for anyone before the draft? A QB prospect no less who's strength as a player is supposed to be his athleticism?
Personal? What the hell are you talking about? The guy is supposed to be the best damn athlete to come out at QB since vick and he didn't want to run a 40!
Of course you don't care what he runs because you don't make a million dollars a year to make these decisions. You won't get fired because you drafted the wrong guy. Common sense would tell you that nfl teams that spent a lot of money to see this man workout might want to see him run before they use a 3rd pick on him. Daaaaa.
You actually used his being unprepared as an excuse. Is that what the titans want with their third pick? A guy who is not prepared for the most basic obvious drills?
Are you telling me that it would be normal for a top prospect to not run for anyone before the draft? A QB prospect no less who's strength as a player is supposed to be his athleticism?
RollTide said:
For one thing... please, anyone who questions Vince's running abilities is a complete and utter fool. His running prowess has as much to do with his size, his acceleration/deceleration, and is freaky Matrix-time warp elusiveness than it does to pure speed (as measured in a timed 40). Like a good bull fighter, he has a god given knack for making people miss, sometimes by centimeters; and when they do manage to land a hand on him, he has the size to brush it off.
I would hope that pro scouts would have enough sense to realize this.
Will Reggie run the 40 for his pro day? Will Matt? Don't they both have something to prove, Reggie being called the fastest man to play the game and Matt's only real knock is his perceived lack of elusiveness (which he denies)? Shouldn't they have to justify their lofty predraft positions?
As far as why Vince ran, the reports I've seen chalk it up to competitiveness. Vince saw his teammates warming up and running, they started egging him on, likely some scouts started egging him on, and with the gauntlet thrown down, he has to take up the challenge. I doubt it had anything to do with his "management" aside from the fact that they couldn't stop him.
And contrary to what's being speculated here, reports from workouts after the RoseBowl (but before he had hired Rhome) said that Vince had been working on running the 40, quoting him as saying he was stuck around the 4.4 level and he was trying to break into the 4.3's. Obviously he didn't make that and I bet he was pretty disappointed that his time wasn't better.
But knocking a 6-5 230+ QB for running a mid 4.5 is like knocking Cindy Crawford for having a mole. Knocking him for not doing the vertical jump or broad jump is just as absurd. If I'm choosing sides for a pickup Basketball game and have to choose between Young, Leinart, Bush or Cutler, there's little doubt who I'm gonna pick. :winker:
I remember watching the Rose Bowl and Texas was on offense. One of the USC linebacker's blitzed and hit Young. Young didn't even move!! He held his ground as if it was a fly that just landed on him. He stood strong and completed a pass with a USC linebacker on him.
Young's overall physical strength is amazing. He may not be the fastest scrambling QB ever (I'm sure his 40 time could have been better though), but he has ridiculous vision on the field which allows him to gain so many yards and choose the right path to the endzone. He can make people miss andOne style.
His accuracy is fine. He didn't have the highest completion percentage for nothing. His ability to run, run and throw, throw, make people miss, stay in the pocket take a hit and still make a completion all combine to make him worthy of our #3 pick. If he is on the board, which he will be, when the Titans are on the clock and we don't take him, we will be making a huge mistake.
Young's overall physical strength is amazing. He may not be the fastest scrambling QB ever (I'm sure his 40 time could have been better though), but he has ridiculous vision on the field which allows him to gain so many yards and choose the right path to the endzone. He can make people miss andOne style.
His accuracy is fine. He didn't have the highest completion percentage for nothing. His ability to run, run and throw, throw, make people miss, stay in the pocket take a hit and still make a completion all combine to make him worthy of our #3 pick. If he is on the board, which he will be, when the Titans are on the clock and we don't take him, we will be making a huge mistake.
Pickup B-ball game? Cutler was all state in HS and Leinart apparently can shoot well. What does that have to do with anything?
Obviously VY doesn't have to prove anything as far as running ability. A point could be made however that if he prepared and was able to run a sub-4.5 his stock could have been improved. Prior to the combine VY didn't have a whole lot to gain by working out but he has slipped a little and putting on an athletic show wouldn't have hurt him. Now we have all the talk about how slow he was compared to what was expected. In short, VY could have done a better job of selling his talent if he had prepared and performed well.
Obviously VY doesn't have to prove anything as far as running ability. A point could be made however that if he prepared and was able to run a sub-4.5 his stock could have been improved. Prior to the combine VY didn't have a whole lot to gain by working out but he has slipped a little and putting on an athletic show wouldn't have hurt him. Now we have all the talk about how slow he was compared to what was expected. In short, VY could have done a better job of selling his talent if he had prepared and performed well.
So if VY doesn't have to prove he can run, is it ok for Leinart to not throw accurately come his pro day? I mean if you look at his games you can clearly see he's accurate, so he doesn't need to throw, except for just chucking it deep to show armstrength... :sad2:
Vigsted said:
Huge difference... They are QB's they throw the ball... 40 times don't have as much bearing on QB's, as it does say Running Backs or recievers.
Why are people disappointed with his 40 time? Because looking at film, they would sware he is alot faster? If Matt went out and ran a 4.95, people wouldn't trip on that at all.
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