I think that article was just a writer throwing something out threre and seeing if anyone else runs with it. I am more apt to believe that Billy just doesn't have the starters arm strength, yeah he throws a nice catchable deep ball but that is about it. I saw repeatedly in the preseason games his balls getting knocked down on short routes. The D player shouldn't have that kind of time over and over again to make a play. It could have been Volek's not making his decision soon enough also or maybe a little of both but I don't have any confiedence in his abilities to lead this team. More importantly I don't think the rest of the team does either.
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I don't think Chow will try to fit a round block into a square peg. Right now, Young should be trying to learn Chow's current offense just for the sake of making quicker decisions, getting the ball out quickly, etc.TitanMarc said:The desire for Chow now falls on VY learning these traits ASAP, and continuing to be the threat he is with his legs, WO getting beat up like Steve.
At the same time, Chow is seeing the skills Young has and has to find ways to take advantage of them. He'd be insane not to. Eventually, the Chow offense will take on a different look along with Young adapting to it. It'll be interesting to see how much both change between now and the '07 season.
Welcome to the forum, btw.
I don't think Chow will try to fit a round block into a square peg
Dang...I just blew a synapse...
Clayton said?
He said it is "looking more and more that collins will be the starter". He didn't say for sure and jeff fisher has not said for sure.
I'll be blunt; if kerry collins starts at QB the first few games, stinks it up and we lose almost all those games jeff fisher needs to be fired! Fired!
Isn't it ironic that billy volek's preseason passing rating was similar to his career rating....87.5 And that collin's short work against ther packers mirrors his career passing rating...77.7. How ironic.
Since when is going 25-39 for 320 yards with one int and one TD stinking up the place? Those are volek's numbers this preseason as i said a rating of 87.5. And 75% of his play was without both givens and brandon jones on the field. He gets brandon jones for one play and dials up a TD. We also didn't run the ball very well in those first three games. I suppose that is billy's fault. :sad2:
To borrow clayton's lame line it's looking more and more like jeff fisher has his finger up you know where and if collins starts sunday that will prove it. Fisher can be loyal to a mentally retarded defensive coordinator but he has no loyalty for a guy who is in his 7th year with this team? Kerry collins the great lame hope. Looked like a dead tree back there for crying out loud!
He said it is "looking more and more that collins will be the starter". He didn't say for sure and jeff fisher has not said for sure.
I'll be blunt; if kerry collins starts at QB the first few games, stinks it up and we lose almost all those games jeff fisher needs to be fired! Fired!
Isn't it ironic that billy volek's preseason passing rating was similar to his career rating....87.5 And that collin's short work against ther packers mirrors his career passing rating...77.7. How ironic.
Since when is going 25-39 for 320 yards with one int and one TD stinking up the place? Those are volek's numbers this preseason as i said a rating of 87.5. And 75% of his play was without both givens and brandon jones on the field. He gets brandon jones for one play and dials up a TD. We also didn't run the ball very well in those first three games. I suppose that is billy's fault. :sad2:
To borrow clayton's lame line it's looking more and more like jeff fisher has his finger up you know where and if collins starts sunday that will prove it. Fisher can be loyal to a mentally retarded defensive coordinator but he has no loyalty for a guy who is in his 7th year with this team? Kerry collins the great lame hope. Looked like a dead tree back there for crying out loud!
Jeff...
25-39 for 320 yards one TD and one int is a rd block in a square hole? What is kerry collins then? Can we deal at all with fact or does it always have to be theory and generalities?
If jeff fisher starts this johnny come lately life long average QB then he should be fired! Fired!
25-39 for 320 yards one TD and one int is a rd block in a square hole? What is kerry collins then? Can we deal at all with fact or does it always have to be theory and generalities?
If jeff fisher starts this johnny come lately life long average QB then he should be fired! Fired!
My peg/hole comment was pointing to Chow adapting the offense to Young's strengths in the future. Are you talking about Young or Volek?RollTide said:25-39 for 320 yards one TD and one int is a rd block in a square hole? What is kerry collins then? Can we deal at all with fact or does it always have to be theory and generalities?
The fact is Volek's one TD and a big chunk of that yardage was ONE PLAY against a bad second team defense after only four days rest in a preseason game that meant squat. If you think that means something, that's your deal. But I don't and I sure as heck don't think Fisher does either.
Fisher's job is on the line. If he goes with Collins instead of Volek, then you can bet there are other factors which pushed him to the decision. If he makes a poor decision, either by keeping Volek, or going with Collins or Young, he'll be gone if the Titans put together another 4-12 season.
I don't believe the SI article in that Volek doesn't work hard. But even with my untrained eye I witnessed some poor reads in the Falcons game by Volek. Fisher and Chow both had the OTAs, training camp and three preseason games to evalute Volek. I bet there is a lot more to bringing in Collins than we'll ever know.
I guess that "one TD and a big chunk of that yardage was ONE PLAY" helps make up for the dropped balls. Volek's pass to Bennett comes to mind and I think that was against the starters.
I VY had thrown that TD pass to Jones fans would be wetting their pants talking about how VY needs to start and how he is ready. Maybe Volek just needed a guy like Jones to be healthy? The WR play sure came up a notch with Jones in there.
I VY had thrown that TD pass to Jones fans would be wetting their pants talking about how VY needs to start and how he is ready. Maybe Volek just needed a guy like Jones to be healthy? The WR play sure came up a notch with Jones in there.
Soxcat...
Good point. The bottom line is that when you throw that many passes and for volek it is about a games worth good things will happen and bad. Dropped balls and exceptional plays. Volek was accurate enough to complete 63%(24-38) of his passes even before that pass to jones and it was a perfect pass. Collins completed 53.5% of his passes.
What you don't understand soxcat is that collins will help the running game. Collins is big(remember the eddie is big thread?) and can block better than volek and for that reason should be starting. It makes no sense but there has to be some reason to justify collin's starting so let's make that it. What else is there?
Good point. The bottom line is that when you throw that many passes and for volek it is about a games worth good things will happen and bad. Dropped balls and exceptional plays. Volek was accurate enough to complete 63%(24-38) of his passes even before that pass to jones and it was a perfect pass. Collins completed 53.5% of his passes.
What you don't understand soxcat is that collins will help the running game. Collins is big(remember the eddie is big thread?) and can block better than volek and for that reason should be starting. It makes no sense but there has to be some reason to justify collin's starting so let's make that it. What else is there?
Vince is on taget to be the starter after the bye week. This is a mad conspiracy to put someone on the field now who is sure to stink it up. The fans will go nuts demanding that Vince Young come to their rescue.RollTide said:It makes no sense but there has to be some reason to justify collin's starting so let's make that it. What else is there?
This is the real reason:
Exactly.Big TT said:I am more apt to believe that Billy just doesn't have the starters arm strength, yeah he throws a nice catchable deep ball but that is about it. I saw repeatedly in the preseason games his balls getting knocked down on short routes. The D player shouldn't have that kind of time over and over again to make a play.
I agree with RollTide about one thing: this has nothing to do with performance or system. The only place were Collins has a leg up on Volek is experience and leadership and that's probably why he's here. Certainly you can't argue that a guy with a career completion of 55.6 is making good decisions. Well you could, but then he'd have to throw some seriously lame ducks and I don't know what's worse, not identifying the right receiver or not be able to get the football there. At least we've seen that Volek can get the football there.
Thank you jeff...
Whatever accomplishments volek has will not be counted and anything good that collins does shall be amplified. Is that it? You just won my arguement for me.
If volek was 24-38 in a game for 266 yards and one int and then threw a 54 yard TD pass would we say that it doesn't count somehow? Then blame jeff fisher because he let volek throw that pass.
Why is everything situational all of a sudden? Does every positive thing that young accomplished worthless now because he did it against second and third string guys? Was collins playing against a first rate fresh defense? I assume that if the opposing defense is 2nd string then so are the players around our QB. So why does that matter?
Whatever accomplishments volek has will not be counted and anything good that collins does shall be amplified. Is that it? You just won my arguement for me.
If volek was 24-38 in a game for 266 yards and one int and then threw a 54 yard TD pass would we say that it doesn't count somehow? Then blame jeff fisher because he let volek throw that pass.
Why is everything situational all of a sudden? Does every positive thing that young accomplished worthless now because he did it against second and third string guys? Was collins playing against a first rate fresh defense? I assume that if the opposing defense is 2nd string then so are the players around our QB. So why does that matter?
RollTide said:Why is everything situational all of a sudden? Does every positive thing that young accomplished worthless now because he did it against second and third string guys? Was collins playing against a first rate fresh defense? I assume that if the opposing defense is 2nd string then so are the players around our QB. So why does that matter?
In the Green Bay game the Packers pulled their starters after 1 drive, but the Titans still played their starters.
I sniff a smokescreen. I keep thinking about the articles during OTA's -- how hard BV was working, how he and some of the guys were going to work together at some camp on their own time, blah blah blah.TitanJeff said:Now we read he was lazy? I ain't buyin'.
During camp we hardly heard anything about BV because the focus was mostly on VY. But when we did read or hear something, it wasn't ever bad.
I think it was Broken Record who said BV just isn't a difference maker... now that I'm buying!
Volek has been given a chance and he's failed. Time and Time again. What positive could come from starting him? Losing isn't positive. Obviously, there's more to why they don't like Volek than what we see. It stems from prctices over the last several years. Not that Collins is a savior or anything but he's got a better track record than Volek. He's an experienced starter that has been on winning teams and Volek isn't (at least as a starter). Collins is here to keep the ship above water until Young is ready and that's it. He gives us a better chance of winning.
Vigsted...
I agree with everything you said except the leadership part. I don't see collins as a dynamic leader in his career.
I'm glad you brought up collins' accuracy as an issue. Volek very well might be the more accurate passer.
Given what i have seen in billy volek as a competitor, leader etc i can't say that collins has an edge.
I agree with everything you said except the leadership part. I don't see collins as a dynamic leader in his career.
I'm glad you brought up collins' accuracy as an issue. Volek very well might be the more accurate passer.
Given what i have seen in billy volek as a competitor, leader etc i can't say that collins has an edge.
rcarie said:Volek has been given a chance and he's failed. Time and Time again. What positive could come from starting him? Losing isn't positive. Obviously, there's more to why they don't like Volek than what we see. It stems from prctices over the last several years.
Yet we were adamant about keeping him as a backup to McNair and refused to trade him?
rcarie said:Not that Collins is a savior or anything but he's got a better track record than Volek. He's an experienced starter that has been on winning teams and Volek isn't (at least as a starter).
2005 Oakland 4-12
2004 Oakland 5-11
2003 N.Y. Giants 4-12
2002 N.Y. Giants 10-6
2001 N.Y. Giants 7-9
2000 N.Y. Giants 12-4
1999 N.Y. Giants 7-9
1998 New Orleans 6-10
1997 Carolina 7-9
1996 Carolina 12-4
1995 Carolina 7-9
Total 81-95
Yeah I can see he has a great track record recently.... or NOT!
Starkiller said:Funny that you left off the 2000 NFC Champion Giants off that list...
Ï didn't I just had to look elsewhere than NFL.com
rcaries...
Losing isn't positive.
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Kerry collins has been a starting QB in the NFL for 11 years and only three of those teams had winning racords. The rest were losers! Did it occur to you for even a minute to actually take a second and find that information? Did it? Better to guess then know?
You call volek a loser, why? Everyone knows damn well that the bulk of his career starts came in the second half of 2004 when we had no defense and barely had an offensive line d/t injury. He also didn't have chris brown the last 5 games of that year. How could he win? The last 8 games of 2004 the titans gave up an average of 33 points a game. Peyton manning would have lost most of those games.
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Losing isn't positive.
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Kerry collins has been a starting QB in the NFL for 11 years and only three of those teams had winning racords. The rest were losers! Did it occur to you for even a minute to actually take a second and find that information? Did it? Better to guess then know?
You call volek a loser, why? Everyone knows damn well that the bulk of his career starts came in the second half of 2004 when we had no defense and barely had an offensive line d/t injury. He also didn't have chris brown the last 5 games of that year. How could he win? The last 8 games of 2004 the titans gave up an average of 33 points a game. Peyton manning would have lost most of those games.
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