All this talk about giving up anything for Jones doesn't make sense when you realize how a below average to bad secondary in '20 may be WORSE in '21 because of lack of experience.
Let's start out with Jenkins vs. Butler. Jenkins is actually a year older. If you believe PFF, Jenkins graded a 66.0 (3 INTs) and Butler 72.7 (4 INTs) last season though Jenkins graded much higher vs. the run.
I don't see Jenkins upgrading Butler's performance of last season though we all know Butler played his best season as a Titan. Jenkins played in only 13 games last season but has, by far, the most experience among the CBs.
Let's move to Kristian Fulton who, IMO, is a big unknown. He missed 10 games as a rookie. When he played, he received a grade of 57.5. No one questions his talents and he should be the starter at the slot at the start of camp but missing that much means he's basically still a rookie and we'll likely see inconsistent play from him this upcoming season.
Caleb Farley is no doubt a top talent but he's far from a certainty. He's not played since '19 and has an injury history which is why the Titans were able to get him when they did. He'll be a total boom or bust, IMO, but I don't see him starting on the outside the start of this season. If he can't, it may mean Fulton will be moved out there.
As far as depth goes, we have Breon Borders who does have some experience and might push to start at slot if Farley can't go and the Titans are forced to move Fulton outside. Or, Kevin Johnson could push to start at nickel though he's been nothing but a disappointment so far since the Texans took him at #16 in the '15 draft. Based on his history, he may not even make the roster.
I think rookie Elijah Molden is the dark horse to start at nickel if he has a great camp. But, again, no experience.
Mabin and Jackson are guys who might push to make the roster but they don't give me a lot of confidence if either end up being needed in '21. Jackson is entering his second season.
Any way this shakes out, this unit is very inexperienced and will need time to gel. The talent is there but it's as uncertain a position group as the Titans have had in a long time, IMO.
That's why, if I'm JRob, I'm looking for help here. Maybe that comes in the form of a CB being released next week but I wouldn't be surprised to see, if the Titans were more willing to make a trade if they can find a team willing to deal an experienced CB.
Let's start out with Jenkins vs. Butler. Jenkins is actually a year older. If you believe PFF, Jenkins graded a 66.0 (3 INTs) and Butler 72.7 (4 INTs) last season though Jenkins graded much higher vs. the run.
I don't see Jenkins upgrading Butler's performance of last season though we all know Butler played his best season as a Titan. Jenkins played in only 13 games last season but has, by far, the most experience among the CBs.
Let's move to Kristian Fulton who, IMO, is a big unknown. He missed 10 games as a rookie. When he played, he received a grade of 57.5. No one questions his talents and he should be the starter at the slot at the start of camp but missing that much means he's basically still a rookie and we'll likely see inconsistent play from him this upcoming season.
Caleb Farley is no doubt a top talent but he's far from a certainty. He's not played since '19 and has an injury history which is why the Titans were able to get him when they did. He'll be a total boom or bust, IMO, but I don't see him starting on the outside the start of this season. If he can't, it may mean Fulton will be moved out there.
As far as depth goes, we have Breon Borders who does have some experience and might push to start at slot if Farley can't go and the Titans are forced to move Fulton outside. Or, Kevin Johnson could push to start at nickel though he's been nothing but a disappointment so far since the Texans took him at #16 in the '15 draft. Based on his history, he may not even make the roster.
I think rookie Elijah Molden is the dark horse to start at nickel if he has a great camp. But, again, no experience.
Mabin and Jackson are guys who might push to make the roster but they don't give me a lot of confidence if either end up being needed in '21. Jackson is entering his second season.
Any way this shakes out, this unit is very inexperienced and will need time to gel. The talent is there but it's as uncertain a position group as the Titans have had in a long time, IMO.
That's why, if I'm JRob, I'm looking for help here. Maybe that comes in the form of a CB being released next week but I wouldn't be surprised to see, if the Titans were more willing to make a trade if they can find a team willing to deal an experienced CB.
Improve the secondary by ensuring constant pass rush. Get Dupree, Autry, and Simmons some depth help.
Julio Jones would bring excitement to a position already underutilized and ,in my eyes, down graded from last year. I don’t think bringing him in changes the run/pass ratio.
QBs nullify the pass rush with quick passes. That's what happened much of last season.
I certainly wouldn't mind some more experience there. Honestly I'm not on the Julio wagon.
The Titans problems on on defense and 3rd down particularly are not from quick passes. They were from QBs having to my name time to get a receiver open. Our secondary isn’t bad and is NOT the problem. The Titans were fine on downs 1 and 2. It was 3rd downs where they couldn’t get off the field. Lack of pass rush was the problem. No pressure. CBs can’t cover forever.
Adding Julio Jones puts opposing teams in a bad spot. Saying it doesn’t help is silly. The Titans were 18 yards short of having 2 1000 yard WRs. I’m not sure but I don’t think any team in the NFL had 2 WRs go over 1000 in 2020.
The defense has improved and could be good, but should be at least average. The offense needs one more weapon. Jones could be that guy.
IMHO
Trading for Julio is exciting no doubt about it. But I’ve said on here multiple times how little we throw the ball it doesn’t make sense to have 2 bonafide WR’s. We aren’t going to throw the ball 40 times a game. Our WR2 probably gets 5-7 targets a game. Not a lot of targets to go around.
However, I’m not opposed to a Julio trade but I just think it’s unrealistic. We are tight on cap space and will need to sign AJ soon. Julio being under contract for 3 more years at a high cap number is going to be hard to maintain our core players. Especially considering the amount of money we already have invested on offense.
Harold Landry, Jayon Brown and Rashaan Evans are FA’s after this season. AJ Brown is the season after that. Going to be hard to maintain all of those players if Julio was brought here.
Well, we run 52% of the time and pass 48%. That’s pretty balanced. Not sure where the idea that the disparity is much greater is coming from.
Agree with most here. I don't see how Julio makes us THAT much better. I'm going with Jeff on this.
I think it does keep 8 out of the box against Henry and with Julio I do not think you can double team Brown. We need another weapon to the offense.
With Julio, it makes reynolds an excellent wr 3.
With Julio, it makes reynolds an excellent wr 3.
I would love to have Julio but I do not think it will ever happen due to money and his age and injury history.
Chiefs had Kelce and Hill
Seahawks had Lockett and metcalf
Panthers had moore and Anderson
Bills were 33 yards away as well.
Really doesn’t say anything other than Tennessee primarily used 2 targets while other teams had more used since they still ranked 23rd in passing yards.
My argument isn’t that Jones wouldn’t help, he certainly would BUT based on how this offense runs, I see it as somewhat of a waste of cap space and talent because Jones will be under utilized.
I think it’s from the #2 rush offense vs the #23 pass offense.
And at 48.2%, titans had the 3rd lowest % of passes.
That still isn’t the same argument that we “hardly ever pass” and a WR would be under-used. If Reynolds or Fitzpatrick fails to step up, AJ will be double teamed and we will quickly see how that negatively impacts our offense. I’m not saying Julio is the answer, but we have to keep defenses honest and an almost 50/50 ratio proves that we need to pass to succeed on a bigger stage. People are talking like our ratio is 70/30 and WR are ornaments and that just isn’t true.
maybe it’s just the style of offense but if jones were here and ends the season as a 70 catch 1000 yard WR, he seems under utilized for the cost. With the 50/50 balance (which I like) those production numbers aren’t gonna go up unless Brown is cut out more.
So another WR would be worthwhile to help out both Brown and Henry, I don’t think the money is well spent on Jones when the same production could be reached for cheaper.
All that said, I’m for spending every dollar available, even if it means cap trouble next year, for a SB victory this year. If Jones is that piece, do it.
Technically, who is going to take some pressure off Brown and Henry? Even if Jones had similar stats to Davis his presence improves everyone else on offense. Including Firkser. It also opens more opportunities for the RBs in the passing game.
As for the sky is falling and we need a CB we have used a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks on CBs. Borders was actually pretty decent considering (71 rating per PFF). So with Jenkins we have two guys who were drafted in round 1 and 2 on the outside and Molden is a natural for the slot (the 3rd CB on the roster isn't always the best guy for the slot). Hooker is also a better SS against the pass than Vaccaro. We will have Brown back as well and signed two guys to help the pass rush which will help everybody on the back end.
Thus, is you assume the worst (Fulton will suck, Farley won't be healthy, Molden will be lost as a rookie, Jenkins will suck) we are screwed anyway. How about we don't get Jones and AJ goes down with an injury? Then what? We are much stronger at CB with depth than we are at WR so the whole idea of spending more resources at CB is insane...
As for the sky is falling and we need a CB we have used a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks on CBs. Borders was actually pretty decent considering (71 rating per PFF). So with Jenkins we have two guys who were drafted in round 1 and 2 on the outside and Molden is a natural for the slot (the 3rd CB on the roster isn't always the best guy for the slot). Hooker is also a better SS against the pass than Vaccaro. We will have Brown back as well and signed two guys to help the pass rush which will help everybody on the back end.
Thus, is you assume the worst (Fulton will suck, Farley won't be healthy, Molden will be lost as a rookie, Jenkins will suck) we are screwed anyway. How about we don't get Jones and AJ goes down with an injury? Then what? We are much stronger at CB with depth than we are at WR so the whole idea of spending more resources at CB is insane...
We were 30th in pass attempts per game last season.
No you are just interpreting it as 70/30 lol. No one has said anything close to that.
Titans are 30th out of 32 teams in pass attempts. That’s why I said we don’t pass much. Because compared to the rest of the league.. we don’t!
Maybe we need to pass more?
I'll all for Julio, the price isn't great but what it would do to our already good offense would be fantastic
Our pass rush was addressed, secondary too..D should be improved...let's go get a ring!
TITAN TF UP!!
I'll all for Julio, the price isn't great but what it would do to our already good offense would be fantastic
Our pass rush was addressed, secondary too..D should be improved...let's go get a ring!
TITAN TF UP!!
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