wow wedding bells already?! first i have to see what you look like , then meet you, get to know you! :ha: :ha: :ha: no, but really, i love mac alot I COULD GO ON FOREVER ABOUT HIM BABY!
Manning doesn't have the mental fortitude it takes to handle the pressure of getting it done when it counts. Manning is a BMF when it comes to dusting teams in the regular season...but when all the cards are down and it's do or die he's a chicken choker and I'm sure his postseason W/L reflect that.
I think Peytons biggest problem is not knowing when to throw you opponent off balance vs. playing to his strengths. (See Pitt, throw when you should be running). That's how the Titans have won most of their playoff games. You come out firing on a differeny cylinder. But for whatever reason, Peyton never seems to control the game. He always seems to be firing into the teeth of the defense. While McNair on the other hand seemed to be able to pick apart a defense. He had the advantage because he could always run even when it looked like a pass. So no matter what defense you throw at him, he could drop back, then run if he wanted. But that was his talent.
Peyton has more skill throwing the ball, but it's the decision making that seems to be lacking, but that is part of being a qb, so I give the edge to McNair.
Peyton has more skill throwing the ball, but it's the decision making that seems to be lacking, but that is part of being a qb, so I give the edge to McNair.
Manning >>>> McNair
All day, everyday.
Some of you have to get that hate out of your eyes. Get all the excuses you want, but the Titans haven't done much better than the Colts. Going to the SB 6 years ago? Let's move on. :sad2:
All day, everyday.
Some of you have to get that hate out of your eyes. Get all the excuses you want, but the Titans haven't done much better than the Colts. Going to the SB 6 years ago? Let's move on. :sad2:
I wouldn't say that McNair is better than Manning as a QB, but given the choice between the 2 in a playoff game or clutch situation, all other things being equal, I'd pick McNair.
Ok Kami, let's spin it then.KamikaZ said:
Give McNair what Manning has minus the Manning.
It's hard to say what McNair could do behind a decent line with a first class set of targets, a solid run game, not to mention a stingy defense, let alone this Colts team we have had the privilege to see this past season. I say keep that Manning chi, I'd take the McNair mojo over that guano.
We've had playoff berths. Can't make it out like we have seen nothing at all since '99. In 2003 If McNair (whoops, there I go with excuses), point is we could have sent them home in our second AFC Championship appearence in two years. We aren't really all that far removed from that incompletion to Bennet in the cold Foxboro winter.
That '05 Colts team is far superior to what we've brought in '04 or '05.
That's a credit to Bill Polian's FO that's for sure.
All McNair needs is the right group behind him.
Sadly, that will not materialize because indeed the window has closed.
The time is nigh to pass the torch and the selection of Vince Young in the draft is critical for this team to reclaim it's idenity reminiscent to that of the '99 and '00.
Still though, I think Peyton has got the "dork" gene. When the pressure is on, when it is it's most intense, he thinks of all the articles, the history, people asking him the question...It echos in his head like a locamotive chugging through a canyon...Big Game...When will you win the big game?...Big Game...Are you going to choke again? And then he starts to slip.
Not to mention all those personality traits.
This ain't hate.
Manning vs. McNair???
Manning is fortunate. He has the skills. He has the tools...
He even has the EDGE.
Mac has got the mental metal...or at least he had.
In any case, I agree.
It's time to move on.
The ultimate victory in the Manning vs. McNair debate would be to beat the Colts to the Super Bowl. Eliminating them along the way would be a real plus. But still, if you take the best McNair against prime Manning...
Steve can (or could) hoist a team on his back when it absolutely, positively had to be done. (sorta)
Manning hasn't proven that.
Vince Young can be greater than Manning ever thought about being.
You're entitled to your opinion, and I'll respect it. Keep in mind, Manning has about a 90 QB rating in the playoffs. Yeah pretty terrible right there. McNair peaked in 2003. His time has passed. Get over it fellas:sad2:
And I'll ignore that Young comment, since he ain't even played a game yet.
And I'll ignore that Young comment, since he ain't even played a game yet.
I'm talking about intangibles. Numbers are just that. Numbers.
I'm talking about Panic Manning.
I'm over it. I'm so over it I've moved on.
But I'll still drag his name through the
mud six days a week and twice on sundays.
I'm talking about Panic Manning.
I'm over it. I'm so over it I've moved on.
But I'll still drag his name through the
mud six days a week and twice on sundays.
Intangibles? A 90 QB rating is a 90 QB rating. It's far better than Mac's in the playoffs.
Intangibles is something people love to throw out when they've run out of stats to prove their point. Stats don't lie, but they can be twisted. However, people who argue with NO stats or means of evidence, outside of spitting around words like "intangibles", aren't going to prove anything.
Is Manning worse in the playoffs as compared to McNair? I think not...:sad2: ****, when was the last time we were in the playoffs? This arguement is pretty obvious...
Intangibles is something people love to throw out when they've run out of stats to prove their point. Stats don't lie, but they can be twisted. However, people who argue with NO stats or means of evidence, outside of spitting around words like "intangibles", aren't going to prove anything.
Is Manning worse in the playoffs as compared to McNair? I think not...:sad2: ****, when was the last time we were in the playoffs? This arguement is pretty obvious...
Just compare Manning's playoff record to McNairs.
McNair has won the same amount of playoff games in one playoff run (1999) then Manning has in his career.
With less talent.
McNair has won the same amount of playoff games in one playoff run (1999) then Manning has in his career.
With less talent.
KamikaZ said:
When was the last time Manning was in the Super Bowl
when was the last time Peyton carried the TEAM on his back to a win
obvious ? I think not
in the NFL stats are pretty much useless (in some ways)
Steve won us quite a few games we should have lost
Peyton's found ways to lose games Indy shoulda won
Steve's a warrior, Peyton's just surrounded by incredible talent
McNair was primarily responsible for the comeback in the SB in 99...just sayin'.
Puck said:
What games has peyton lost that they shouldve won? The steelers game is the only big game where the colts were the better team and they lost. Surely your not suggesting the colts shouldve beat NE on the road the past two years? And surely you dont think that UT had better teams than Florida when Peyton was there. Both situations he was on the inferior team.
Gunny said:
This is silly logic. So McNair has a better playoff record; what the hell does that have to do with which QB is better? Last time I checked, a QB is not the team. Or is it, because that seems to be the logic in this thread. And as I might recall, McNair wasn't even remotely close to the primary reason we were even in the hunt for the Super Bowl. Eddie George in his dominating prime and a stiffling defense were, with some insane luck (MCM anyone? Mac, btw, didn't light the world on fire...). The reason the Colts have been contending each year is because Manning has led one of the most prolific offenses in recent memory.
No one, NOT ONE, has debunked the fact that Manning has a BETTER passer rating in the playoffs than Mac. But I thought Manning sucked in the playoffs? Oh wait, McNair is a warrior, a player that has better intangibles (whatever the hell that means), so McNair is therefore the better player.
In terms of this wacked out "Well, Manning has better weapons." A great QB needs weapons! What is this crap; Manning can't help that his FO has consistently provides him with fantastic supporting cast members. If McNair had the weapons Manning had, who knows. That's exactly the point, who knows? We can't go look into some sort of bizzaro "If McNair has Harrison" scenerio, so what's the point of speculation?
Look, you can hate Manning's personality. You can hate the Colts. I'm in both categories. But c'mon guys! Manning is the better QB! He has a better QB rating overall, in the regular season and playoffs, he's led better teams for what 3-4 years now? He has the exact same playoff record as McNair. So McNair went to the Super Bowl and is a warrior with the intangibles of a champion:hmm: ! Look, McNair is great and he's one of my favs, but to say that he's better than Manning is just silly.
More incessant nonsense....
We have one poster(mad about mcnair) that claims that mcnair is better than manning when that same poster on another thread had also said the titans had no talent this year. We have the best damn QB on earth but the team had no talent? Bizarro logic?
Another poster(visteg) says that mcnair is his guy in a big game over manning. I guess he didn't realize that mcnair has 3 more ints in playoff games than TDs and a lousy 68 passing rating. In only one of the 9 post season games mcnair has played in has he thrown more TDs than he had ints in the game. That was the afc championship against oakland in 2002 when he had a TD with no picks. I guess the facts be damed huh?
Steve mcnair is a warrior proclaims one poster but it is manning who has never missed a game in 8 seasons.
Puck asks when was the last time manning carried the colts on his back to a win. We let's see, about half the games he has played? You can't count the number of times he has had to pass for 300 yards for the team to have a chance. Watch the 2003 monday night comeback against tampa bay before you ask silly questions. Most of the time when we needed steve to carry our team it was because we were not very good. In steve's first 3 playoff games in 99 mcnair only averaged 100 yards passing per game so he was hardly carrying the team to the super bowl.
We have one poster(mad about mcnair) that claims that mcnair is better than manning when that same poster on another thread had also said the titans had no talent this year. We have the best damn QB on earth but the team had no talent? Bizarro logic?
Another poster(visteg) says that mcnair is his guy in a big game over manning. I guess he didn't realize that mcnair has 3 more ints in playoff games than TDs and a lousy 68 passing rating. In only one of the 9 post season games mcnair has played in has he thrown more TDs than he had ints in the game. That was the afc championship against oakland in 2002 when he had a TD with no picks. I guess the facts be damed huh?
Steve mcnair is a warrior proclaims one poster but it is manning who has never missed a game in 8 seasons.
Puck asks when was the last time manning carried the colts on his back to a win. We let's see, about half the games he has played? You can't count the number of times he has had to pass for 300 yards for the team to have a chance. Watch the 2003 monday night comeback against tampa bay before you ask silly questions. Most of the time when we needed steve to carry our team it was because we were not very good. In steve's first 3 playoff games in 99 mcnair only averaged 100 yards passing per game so he was hardly carrying the team to the super bowl.
Puck said:
Well, the last time we were in the SB was in '99. Six years ago. That's a long time. Mac wasn't the reason we were there either (to be fair, he was more than productive in the playoffs). NFL stats are useless? Not even going to begin to say what's grossly incorrect with that statement, but I think I get your point.
You guys continue to equate this whole thing to which team has better playoff experience. This is a player to player comparison, not a team to team.
Some simple numbers...
Peyton manning career regular season passing rating..93.5
Career playoff passing rating......89
Steve mcnair career regular season passing rating...83.3
Steve mcnair playoff passing rating.........68
So who has the bigger drop off when it counts the most?
Note that i have been one of mcnair's biggest defenders this season. Hell if he was in the nfc he would have been a candidate for the pro bowl. Certainly had a better year than vick did. Note that mcnair had the same passing rating this season as his career rating a decent accomplishment considering our o-line, the running game and rookie WR. So don't think he is done yet. He still has some good years left in him as he helps groom vince young to be our future QB.
Peyton manning career regular season passing rating..93.5
Career playoff passing rating......89
Steve mcnair career regular season passing rating...83.3
Steve mcnair playoff passing rating.........68
So who has the bigger drop off when it counts the most?
Note that i have been one of mcnair's biggest defenders this season. Hell if he was in the nfc he would have been a candidate for the pro bowl. Certainly had a better year than vick did. Note that mcnair had the same passing rating this season as his career rating a decent accomplishment considering our o-line, the running game and rookie WR. So don't think he is done yet. He still has some good years left in him as he helps groom vince young to be our future QB.
Give McNair - Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Edgerrin James and Manning - Derreck Mason, Drew Bennett and Eddie George
and see how that works out for ya
and see how that works out for ya
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