GoT said:
Trust me on this. It bothers and frustrates him more than anyone. I talked to him while he was in the doctors office the next day and he was very upset. He is also glad it did not end his season though. The timing was terrible though, because he was having a good game and the outcome of that game unfolded in the 4th qtr after he departed. He very well could have been the cog in the wheel that game that brought it home. Instead Fitz exploded on Waddell for 71 yards in one qtr and 2 TDs. Andre was injured and Hill was elevated to the starting position.
GoT said:
I am bothered more that we are always injured. Always losing key players..or players when we don't have any key players...to injury.
Something has to change - i dont care if it is the footwear, the routine they run, or getting a new Strength and Conditioning Coach, we have had far too many injuries over too many consecutive years for it not to be a coincidence.
WoolfolksUncle said:
It is the will of Reynaldology. :brow:
Sometimes this injury stuff is just a bad luck streak with no other reason...
There is no defense against the perfect pass. (Other than guessing where the ball may go) I dont know if Reynaldogy is good at foreseeing the future!??
May be???
May be???
Michi40 said:There is no defense against the perfect pass. (Other than guessing where the ball may go) I dont know if Reynaldogy is good at foreseeing the future!??
May be???
The good book has all the answers.
WoolfolksUncle said:First of all maybe I have bolstered the "If it even makes a hill of beans difference how much respect you have for him or any other player" thing ... It doesn't. You did not address the credibility of your previous claim. Here Let me help you.... your words: The same coaching staff that "believes in him" IMO is anticipating Andre not being a part of the Titans after this year and have resigned to the fact he wasn't the permanent answer.[/B]
Now here are my exact words: Whom do you know on the coaching staff, to back your claim. What Newspaper article backs you up.... Any URLs to click on to back up your - Sound like you know what your talking about but really full of YOUR opinion statement. If you can quiet me by posting some proof to what you just said then do so. If not, join the "Benny Hill" Avatar man in Mike and Mikes favorite morning show theme.
Can you answer this Soxcat, or has the CAT part of your name got your tongue.
Now addressing the misdirection mess you just posted. My point behind my post without all the background is Andre has never had a chance to work during the offseason on conditioning nor on technique. At OU, he did and he excelled. One thing about him and every athlete in my family is we were not born packed full of muscle, stamina, size, but we all share a natural speed thing and a natural unstoppable heart thing(I still compete in very competitive military and city leagues -(football, basketball and softball). None of us will lay down and waddle in any failures and we all give 110% all the time. Wherever Andre is lacking, the reason the coaches and his teammates have not quit believing is that unstoppable, unbreakable will to keep going 110% all the time. I guarantee you that is his approach this offseason and your statement above was unnecessary, because I said when he shows up at camp giving the challenge of a lifetime to Hill for the spot, meaning more than noticeable production, then he will have earned your respect (which still doesn't matter in the scheme of things, but humor you, sure, no problem)
Let me begin by pointing out that the coaching staffs rarely if ever will say a guy sucks, is a bust or things of that nature in the media while the player is still employed by the team and even after the player is cut or leaves in FA will they say much. So if that is what you are looking for you will not find it. How the coaching staff does express their impressions of a player is by showing the confidence they have in that player by letting them play.
It is a fact that Woolfolk has not fulfilled the three main things he needs to do to be considered a bonifide NFL CB. He has not won and kept a starting spot, has not stayed healthy and played well and cannot be depended on. He was replaced by a rookie 7th rounder with no NFL experience and actually only a little major college experience.
Again, as for the "man of the year at OU", "winner of the swim suit contest", "gifted athlete at the combine" and all that other stuff is meaningless at this point including where he was drafted. If what you say is true, that Andre will astound us this year in camp because he is going to be 100% healthy this off-season and will be able to work hard at improving his game, GREAT! I hope as much as anybody he shows up as a beast of a player and demonstrates he is the best CB on this team. Talk is cheap.
(1) Veterans generally don't lose their starting jobs because of injury. When they do, it's not a vote of confidence. (2) Teams don't change their defensive philosophy from 65% nickel to 50% because they have a stud nickel corner. They do it because they don't. (3) Respected veteran position players are not usually found covering kicks, but when they're beaten out by rookies that's where they end up. It speaks volumes.Soxcat said:
Brian said:
Your first sentence is true about seasoned veterans. None of us including Andre would say he is a seasoned veteran. The super boawl winning champion quarterback Big Ben would say would you said is a flat out lie. No better proof than that. Maddox was a proven starter and so was Drew Bledsoe when Brady became the man. Therefore your post is already shot full of proven holes. Nuff said, don't even try to come back on this one buddy. Sox, read the next post. Brian's points are all smashed and done.
Soxcat said:
Your last sentence is the main point I was making. Quit writing him off. If he shows up and doesn't produce then say what you will, but you still didn't answer anything... As a matter of fact you started spatting and babbling and changing words for the benefit of your post, thus invalidating your post as nothing but what I have said you do. Post opinions. Andre was not Man of the Year at OU.... Pay attention, past your obvious lack of understanding. He was Ironman of the Year for two consecutive off seasons at OU as voted by his teammates, to include players from all positions... DBs/QBs/RBs/OLs/DLs/WRs, etc. This was earned not given on some platter. Now the only reason this point is important, like I said previously.... Did you read or pay attention ... If not...HEY SOXCAT PAY ATTENTION: He is working out this offseason on everything, physical conditioning to technique. With that info, all you can do, all I can do, all any Titans fans can do is wait to see what happens. I don't care and he doesn't care and I am quite sure the Titans coaching staff and players don't care if you don't expect him to succeed, because what you care about, carries zero clout in the scheme of things. What I care about carries Zero clout so quit trying to sound like what you're saying makes a difference or matters. My post have all been geared on "Based on his past history of successes with offseason workouts (again no one cares if you believe in them or not), I believe he is coming to camp on fire and if you were telling the truth that you hope he produces - It will make the team better type of talk, when he does, then you and your good friends that don't believe now, should swallow your pride, come on this board and admit what's happening.
Deltha O'Neal was replaced by an undrafted corner named Kelly Herndon in Denver, and actually cut. He was picked up by Cincinnatti and has made two straight Pro Bowls.... Deltha Oneal was a 15th overall pick and cut for an undrafted free agent.,... amazing. Hows that for your crystal ball, shatters it . right. You don't have all the answers as a matter of fact you still did not answer what I said with a single fact. People believe MORE in facts supported by things like URLs. So here is the bibliography to my incredibly long winded post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deltha_O'Neal
http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=27423
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/sports/steelerslive/s_289522.html
By the way, Kelly Herndon was traded to the Seahawks after the Broncos most recent draft.
Since you incomprehensibly addressed only one of them, that's hardly the case.WoolfolksUncle said:
They call those guys "workout warriors" for a reason. Their measurables get them noticed and moved up in the draft, but don't translate into football production. Thanks for pointing it out. It's a valid point.WoolfolksUncle said:
nice gunnyman... does that book address the prophet Woolfolk?Gunny said:The good book has all the answers.
you know, I'm astounded that this is still going in circles after something like two weeks. Somebody should call a cease fire, make a bet, or check out and say, "we'll see." This is getting into "big gay Al" territory. Everyone makes good points but if the posters here just read their own posts impartially they would see that they aren't actually listening but just hammering away at what they hold in their minds. I'm being very even handed with this. This is some kind of message board war of attrition and it's kinda weird.:hmm:
Brian said:
No don't try to change my words. You call them workout warriors. Any OU or Big 12 fan will tell you Andre was very productive as a Sooner. You named this thread "Not Affraid to admit when I'm Wrong" and you were trying to be comical. In the meantime you have succeeded in twisting truth into your own perversion and in the process have shown you are quaking in your boots when it comes to admitting you are wrong. As I keep telling you and Soxcat repeatedly... Post some facts. Let me ask you, since you mentioned no football production workout warrior as a reason he was drafted, :HOW was he named one of the players of the game for the Senior Bowl. Do you know how much weight the Senior Bowl and the Combine carry. Excuse me, Cat, I mean Sox got your tongue. Stoops wasn't there. There was no favortism or any special treatment. It was put up or shut up and he put up and shut some people up.
Brian said:
Opinion again. Show your ability beyond your opinions. Come on support something with some facts. Some URL, Some clips from Fisher, Schwartz, a sports writer. You know, I checked out another board just for the heck of it and I was so encouraged to know that there are a lot more positive Titans fans, even on this board as well, but you and :baghead: post so much negativity it drains people. Yes, my rebuttals don't help, that cause, but someone needs to :chairwack your worthless negative posts.
Oh, let me welcome them - here they come, some more of your supporters which would be between 5-7 more negative dwellers.
SEC 330 BIPOLAR said:
Ok, I am all out of fire for now:Flamethro I will put down my flamethrower and chill, if they will.... (oh hush, you (not you BiPolar) and everyone else on this board knows who you are) But I have said it before, as long as they :barf: the garbage posts out of their mouths into their fingertips onto their keyboards and into this virtual world, I will continue to attempt to spoon feed it, excuse me shovel it back down their throats.
WoolfolksUncle said:
Woolfolksuncle - this point is TERRIBLE. You pick 2 players who made an IMMEDIATE impact and who eventually won a SB within 2 years in BOTH cases. These are a RARITY not the common thing going on.
Edit: and in no way shape or form is Tommy Maddox a "proven starter" at NFL level.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1005 - for instance.
ONE season of starting 16 games, another starting 11 is "proven" to you? By that logic woolfolk is 50% there to being a "proven starting CB".
thnom said:
I never said they were the common thing going one. Here is the statement I was commenting On: Pay attention:
Originally Posted by Brian
(1) Veterans generally don't lose their starting jobs because of injury. When they do, it's not a vote of confidence.
The point I was making is that Andre is not a seasoned vet. Proven vets don't lose their jobs. Interchangeable seasoned - proven. Due to injury, he has been hampered, no denying that there. My main point in this entire thread is that this is his first offseason healthy since becoming a Titan. Brian and Soxcat will try to mislead people into different thinking on that. I don't care what any of you say on this. I know he was not healthy or able to do what he does in the offseason. What he has done in the offseason since he first went to OU and that is work hard as possible at conditioning and technique. He doesn't party, he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink. The only activity other than church outside of football that he does is golf and that is special wife time for him. He lives breathes and consumes football and could not completely do that because he was not recovered from the two season ending surgeries from 2003-2004 and 2004-2005 seasons respectively. This year, despite the downplay of Brian again on the importance of it (how foolish to even downplay that), Andre is being the Andre I have known him to be. He will come hard at camp and that is once again the main point I am making. All of this finality talk that people :barf: out is sickening just like that smiley is. Plain and simple, Andre will be in camp healthy and fired up. Brian suggested he was reduced to covering kicks in his post at 10:58 yesterday. What games was he watching. I will go straight on the record on this board and state that that is a flat out misleading: LIE Everyone that watched the games and followed the team even remotely this year knows that Andre was the nickel meaning 3rd corner in and with Fisher being the Fisher that he has been since I have been paying close attention: (yeah yeah yeah 2003, save it), He will open up the door of open challenge and whether you think it or not, the Left Corner battle at camp will be the hot spot, hot topic at camp. When it happens I will remind you of this post. Hey Brian, I am asking again post something to back up your #2 point in your post about the defensive philosophy. While you are searching look at the play by play on this URL and tell me what pass was thrown and completed (even just thrown to) to the slot receiver (not tight end) Slot receiver: When you find it post it: Like I said, I substantiate what I say with factual info. You post opinions, and some of mine are too, just substantiated by strong facts called stats: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20051224_TEN@MIA Question: who is R. McMichael, is he a WR or TE.... I'll save you on it... He is a TE... ok
Since 3 picks and 7 passes defended in two college seasons and a terrible week of practice at the Senior Bowl don't normally translate into a first round draft pick, why don't you tell me?WoolfolksUncle said:
thnom said:
I'm sorry, I forgot to pass your gift along to you::baghead:
Wear it proudly.... OK....
Brian said:
Once again he earned the lockdown corner stipulation by what, locking down receivers, eliminating passes to his side of the field. I watched almost every OU game while he was there (the only ones I didn't was when I was in the Persian Gulf and that wasn't one of the scheduled AFRTS games). I would get upset because the opposing QBs weren't throwing to his side but the good ESPN/CBS/ABC/NBC announcers would always point out how he was blanketing the receivers and they just were not getting open. Why don't you call Roy Williams up in Detroit and asked him. Chris Simms tried him, every game vs Texas and he posterized the receivers. Ask Chris Brown what happened when Colorado tried him. If the few picks you get are on the same QB on the few times he tries you, then he lives in fear and awe of you. Ask JWill. Andre was feared at OU because of his playmaking ability. You didn't follow them, so you don't know. Don't get on this board acting like you do. Here is a poster for you OK:
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No, He couldn't make plays could he Brian..... This was one of Sportscenters Plays of the Week. He had one in his sophmore year, oh I am sorry, as a receiver that was nominated as one of the Sports Plays of the Year at the ESPYs.... No Brian, he just should not have gotten any attention....... Yeah Right... Oh you want to see it. Anyone that wants to see it PM me and I will email you the video clip. WU. I know the :baghead: gang won't PM me, so no that doesn't include you... woopdee doooooo!!!!!! hahahahahahaha, this is so much fun. I told you BiPolar, you were so right about the stamina thing. I can go on and on baby. So come on Brian, Soxcat and anyone else supporting your smash campaign, just bring it..... hahaha heee he he, ha ha.
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