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I still want to know why we had Hollister in as the sole WR 3 times yesterday. I'm assuming he's the best blocking WR on the team, but damn it's as obvious as day we're running the ball during that formation.

Then to top it off, he's not even spread out wide to draw away the CB or Safety.
 
Last year, we had it and chit the bed. Vrabel played more players than ever in the history of the NFL and secured a one seed, and you want to ship him off? Ok, i get the frustration, but he is not a bad coach.
 
Yeah, but we have had a deep run under Vrabel and led the SB champs by two scores at the half. I blame burnt toast Ryan (who had a great game Sunday) and Henry, who didn't get it done when it mattered.
Maybe I should have said another deep playoff run...one isn't enough
 
I still want to know why we had Hollister in as the sole WR 3 times yesterday. I'm assuming he's the best blocking WR on the team, but damn it's as obvious as day we're running the ball during that formation.

Then to top it off, he's not even spread out wide to draw away the CB or Safety.
We should throw to him in that formation. The defense would be in denial for weeks.
 
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I still want to know why we had Hollister in as the sole WR 3 times yesterday. I'm assuming he's the best blocking WR on the team, but damn it's as obvious as day we're running the ball during that formation.

Then to top it off, he's not even spread out wide to draw away the CB or Safety.

It drives me crazy that on our short yardage plays that we bring everyone in tight to the formation which just puts extra defenders into the box...just put 2 WRs out wide ....this takes 2 CBs and a safety out of the box.

My guess is that this week we will see play action off of it with Hollister running a route. It is the only reason to keep running that formation
 
It drives me crazy that on our short yardage plays that we bring everyone in tight to the formation which just puts extra defenders into the box...just put 2 WRs out wide ....this takes 2 CBs and a safety out of the box.

My guess is that this week we will see play action off of it with Hollister running a route. It is the only reason to keep running that formation
I have no idea how there are still coordinators calling that kind of crap. Just think about it logically: The odds of someone missing a block goes up the more people you pull in tight.

The odds of at least 1 player missing a block goes up the more guys you asking to block in tight. If a WR misses his block on an inside run, it has no effect on a play. But a TE missing their block is huge.

Just to put numbers to this, a normal offensive lineman has a run blocking win rate of somewhere between 85-95%. Let's just average that to a 90% win rate (which is extremely generous given that half the blockers in this scenario are TE and/or FB, who don't have as high of a win rate). The probability that all 9 players will win their block is just 10%.

If you spread everyone out and only ask the 5 OL to win their blocks, the probability nearly doubles to 18% odds of success.

That's just winning at the line of scrimmage for the number of guys you can block. As you alluded to, spreading out the formation also provides the benefit of pulling Safety's out of the box so you don't have the numbers disadvantage. Spreading people out puts the numbers advantage back on the offense. Most teams try to cover two WR with 3 DB's. So in a scenario where you have twins to each side, that makes the defense allocate 6 players to cover 4 offensive players.

No matter how you cut it, spreading defenses out is a better way to run the ball. But our OC still wants to run bunch sets and run straight into walls of defenders. Not to mention that Henry can steam roll DB's much easier than DL and LB's. It's completely insane.
 
talking about crap coaching...

I noticed on, I am pretty real sure it was the 4th & 15 play, the RIGHT cb playing within a few yards of the wr prior to the snap... and a Titan coach ( I have no idea who ) ran towards the cb motioning like a crazy man to MOVE BACK...

just proof to me that the soft corners, for more than a decade now, is a philosophical thing and the cb's probably want to get a shove at the LoS to throw off timing

the play went to the other side FWIW
 
talking about crap coaching...

I noticed on, I am pretty real sure it was the 4th & 15 play, the RIGHT cb playing within a few yards of the wr prior to the snap... and a Titan coach ( I have no idea who ) ran towards the cb motioning like a crazy man to MOVE BACK...

just proof to me that the soft corners, for more than a decade now, is a philosophical thing and the cb's probably want to get a shove at the LoS to throw off timing

the play went to the other side FWIW
I honestly think this coaching staff has no problem letting them go down three quarters of the field and start playing actual defense when the field is much shorter. Our CB's get absolutely destroyed when they play zone and have large swathes of field to cover.
 
Per @SharpFootball:

#Titans   ’ opponents are averaging 14.0 red zone plays per game, the most in the league.

Titans have run just 14 total red zone plays, 31st in the league.
 
I have no idea how there are still coordinators calling that kind of crap. Just think about it logically: The odds of someone missing a block goes up the more people you pull in tight.

The odds of at least 1 player missing a block goes up the more guys you asking to block in tight. If a WR misses his block on an inside run, it has no effect on a play. But a TE missing their block is huge.

Just to put numbers to this, a normal offensive lineman has a run blocking win rate of somewhere between 85-95%. Let's just average that to a 90% win rate (which is extremely generous given that half the blockers in this scenario are TE and/or FB, who don't have as high of a win rate). The probability that all 9 players will win their block is just 10%.

If you spread everyone out and only ask the 5 OL to win their blocks, the probability nearly doubles to 18% odds of success.

That's just winning at the line of scrimmage for the number of guys you can block. As you alluded to, spreading out the formation also provides the benefit of pulling Safety's out of the box so you don't have the numbers disadvantage. Spreading people out puts the numbers advantage back on the offense. Most teams try to cover two WR with 3 DB's. So in a scenario where you have twins to each side, that makes the defense allocate 6 players to cover 4 offensive players.

No matter how you cut it, spreading defenses out is a better way to run the ball. But our OC still wants to run bunch sets and run straight into walls of defenders. Not to mention that Henry can steam roll DB's much easier than DL and LB's. It's completely insane.
My thought is they use bunch formations because they don’t trust the O line to do their jobs.
 
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