Floyd may as well bring back Eddie if he's going to go signing old running backs at the end of their careers, i.e. Priest Holmes.:irked:
So many of you were in such a hurry to get rid of Eddie, it's not so easy to replace him is it?
Yeah, I know he didn't play anywhere last year, but neither did Henry or Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:brow:
With EG here at least you never worried about who would start, and we didn't have to worry about who would come down with reefer madness!
Yeah, I know he didn't play anywhere last year, but neither did Henry or Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:brow:
With EG here at least you never worried about who would start, and we didn't have to worry about who would come down with reefer madness!
If Brown was healthy last year he would had close to 1800 yards IMO.
Our main problem with the running game is still a subpar O-line and lack of deep threat in the passing game. Whether it's Henry, Brown or Bush the problem will be the same.
The problem is the McBack metality in regards to running back. Since Eddie faded/left those shoes have had to be filled by 2 or more running backs. Well, one shoe and one boot filled by multiple backs anyways.Gunny said:
You used to count on EG for 100 yards and a win, week in and week out.
Point is one of these years Tennessee has got to get a stud star calibur running back. Draft or FA. Top ten back...we could go like Washington did and buy ourselves a power running game. Just look what FA aquisition of Portis has done.
SEC 330 BIPOLAR said:
Short memories?
Eddie George, the one we could count on for 100 yards had 7 100+ yard games in three years (2001-2003). Chris Brown in 2004, the guy who everyone now thinks stinks and needs to be replaced had 6 100+ yard games, three of which were 152, 147 and 148 yards. When a guy can run for 100+ yards 6 times in only 11 games one year and cannot break 100 yards one time the very next year (and is not coming off a serious injury) something is wrong with the OL, the scheme but certainly not the RB.
Remember also, despite the lost games to injury in 2004 and the poor year this year Brown has run for over 1900 yards in the last two years. EG only averaged about 100 yards per year more than that his last three years and had a bunch more carries. IMO if we stocked the OL with better players we would solve 90% of our offensive problems and even Volek could win a bunch of games as our QB. Suddenly our inept WRs who cannot make big plays would be able to run deeper patterns against a defense that has to fear the run more and the WRs we have would be better.
I like how the O-line is considered sub-par now, but in Eddie's last years with us people said HE was the problem, not the Oline. Funny what some real lack of production will do to change perception.
Looks like it wasn't all EG's fault.
Bring Back Skip Hicks!!!!
Looks like it wasn't all EG's fault.
Bring Back Skip Hicks!!!!
I'nm not sure if you read what I wrote. In 2004 Chris Brown ran for greater than 100 yards 6 times in 11 games behind the same OL EG couldn't get production out of. This line is 2 years older now with a rookie starting at RT. Obviously we need an infusion of some younger, better players to get back to the level we were when EG was here. Hopkins was in his 13th year. Olsen took a big step back and Hartwig has been figured out (DC watch film and note they can put a guy on his nose and blow up the middle).
If you ask me... We haven't had a decsent Oline since Bruce Mathews retired.
I agree with Sox on this issue. I'd improve the O-Line then see what Brown can do. I don't mind keeping Henry for another year or so, but I just see more in Brown overall, enough that we'll see what we really have after another year. Training camp should be good, but I hope neither Brown or Henry waste themselves and get injured trying to out-do the other in camp. I still see a guy in Brown that can get 1500 yards a season for a few years, and could under the right circumstances be the NFL rushing leader. If he was healthy all last year and gave us the same performace consistently, that could have been Brown topping Curtis Martin and Shaun Alexander last year. Honestly, though Henry has proven himself capable, I don't ever see him becoming that kind of performer.
Yeah it was confusing...sorry about that. When I said "say this" I really meant that her post was to the effect that Travis was better than Chris...I've seen your vigorious defense of CB in the past...what I meant really was not to say that too loud around Soxcat...Soxcat said:
Honestly, it's hard to judge a back behind our line...at least she knows personality when she sees it. If only personality could keep you free from injury.
Yikes...I know I love to see you get you going about the the RB position...Soxcat said:
Wowsers, I've really stirred something up. It is a McBack mentality...I don't care how good CB theoretically can be. I'm begining to wonder if this club has got enough FO smarts to field a winner. There used to be no question in my mind but lately I've had doubts surface.
The Eddie George I was referring to was the 1999/2000 EG...
go ahead and throw 95-98 in there too I guess...
He was still the real deal Holyfield...
After that turf toe thing (2001) we never saw him again...
If you want to be ultra literal my use of shoes/one boot imagery makes your point completely fair. I only said "one boot" to be funny and exhaggerate...but still there is an old dusty stat that when the Titans were at thier hieght with the smash mouth running game, if EG had 100 yards or more it was a win __% of the time...
You validate that with the statement that CB will never be a EG...
I know this.
By the way, sorry for responding so late. I didn't notice your first post when I posted again and I haven't really been watching this thread.
I still think the Titans need to get a Critical Theory style BEAST running back in the draft one of these years.
First and foremost we need to clone Roos.
Young, solid and smart...Roos is good.
I never understood why this statistic was used. He usually only got 100 yards when we weren't forced to pass the ball (ie when we were behind). It's a symptom of winning... not the cause.
Every time I hear a commentator use a stat similar to this, I have this sudden urge to kick something. We should all be so lucky as to get paid for reading cliched teleprompters.
Big TT said:
Exactly, that would not be so bad if it was not for the handful of negative plays that make his rushing almost pointless.
MadAboutMcNair said:
and the D had to worry about playaction on third and 1!
SEC bipolar...
Eddie george had just one season in his whole career when he averaged even 90 yards a game. He averaged 94 per in 2000. The rest of his prime he averaged around 85 per. From 2001 on he averaged just 65 per. Hardly the 100 yards a game you are talking about.
But hey you are usually wrong anyway.
Take note that soxcat has been a huge travis henry fan from the beginning. Heck he practically wet himself when henry had a couple of nice runs against the 49ers.
Eddie george had just one season in his whole career when he averaged even 90 yards a game. He averaged 94 per in 2000. The rest of his prime he averaged around 85 per. From 2001 on he averaged just 65 per. Hardly the 100 yards a game you are talking about.
But hey you are usually wrong anyway.
Take note that soxcat has been a huge travis henry fan from the beginning. Heck he practically wet himself when henry had a couple of nice runs against the 49ers.
Here we go again...
The old eddie supporters are back to bad mouth chris brown. Eddie's 3 yards and a cloud of dust are misunderstood. He was really a pro bowl player who was simply unappreciated. I'm wondering how many of those 2.2 yard gains eddie must have had from 2001-2003. Must of been plenty since his average was only 3.2. I guess the only difference between him and brown is that eddie isn't getting those 15 yard runs to help his average. Eh?
Look brown has his faults. He is only good for 200-225 quality carries as opposed to the 300+ you get from the top backs. He also fumbles the ball too much averaging 5 fumbles a season over the last 2 years. But brown can do some good things for you. He is capable of having a 150 yard type game. He has done that. He is pretty good in pass protection and is a very good receiver something eddie was not the last couple of seasons here. Brown has 45 catches for almost 500 yards the last 2 seasons and he can be used much more that way.
Is he a pro bowl player? No but he doesn't suck either and he comes with a cheap price tag.
It's funny we have an entire thread about our RB situation but nobody has mentioned money. Brown will only cost us $600K against the cap next year. What is more is that 2006 is the last year of brown's contract so he should be supremely motivated. He will be a titan next season no matter what if he is a third down back behind travis henry or someone else or our primary starter he will be back. Remember also that brown was a late, very late third rd pick not an ultra hyped high first rd back who is making $6M a year.
Didn't brown and henry have identical ypc this year?
The old eddie supporters are back to bad mouth chris brown. Eddie's 3 yards and a cloud of dust are misunderstood. He was really a pro bowl player who was simply unappreciated. I'm wondering how many of those 2.2 yard gains eddie must have had from 2001-2003. Must of been plenty since his average was only 3.2. I guess the only difference between him and brown is that eddie isn't getting those 15 yard runs to help his average. Eh?
Look brown has his faults. He is only good for 200-225 quality carries as opposed to the 300+ you get from the top backs. He also fumbles the ball too much averaging 5 fumbles a season over the last 2 years. But brown can do some good things for you. He is capable of having a 150 yard type game. He has done that. He is pretty good in pass protection and is a very good receiver something eddie was not the last couple of seasons here. Brown has 45 catches for almost 500 yards the last 2 seasons and he can be used much more that way.
Is he a pro bowl player? No but he doesn't suck either and he comes with a cheap price tag.
It's funny we have an entire thread about our RB situation but nobody has mentioned money. Brown will only cost us $600K against the cap next year. What is more is that 2006 is the last year of brown's contract so he should be supremely motivated. He will be a titan next season no matter what if he is a third down back behind travis henry or someone else or our primary starter he will be back. Remember also that brown was a late, very late third rd pick not an ultra hyped high first rd back who is making $6M a year.
Didn't brown and henry have identical ypc this year?
Chart his games rollboy, I have, not all true enough but several. What you will find is a lot of 1,1,0,0,1,1. with an occasional 15 yarder to keep the faithful(you) satisfied. That is not, I repeat not a running game. :suspect:
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