Thanks for the additional stats and the questions are valid.
Is it THill?
Is the OL break down preventing deeper att?
Is downing calling for short throws? Is that because of THill or the OL?
the only thing to consider about those rankings is that those encompass the entire season. To me, those rankings have probably dropped over the previous 6 weeks which would mean THill is probably less than avg over that period. Still points to the same questions though.
Exactly, I don't think there is just one answer to the issues. But there have been issues with the passing game since the beginning of the year - we just glossed over them because Henry was putting up MVP stats on the ground.
Tannehill threw 10 TD's to 7 INT's in the first 8 games when AJB, Julio and Henry were all around in some combination. That's not great, but the OL was playing like crap then too. I think all parties deserve some share of the blame for this offense doing their best impression of the Bears or Jags offense.
I keep going back and forth on how to feel about Downing. Part of me wants to say that Downing shouldn't carry a lot of the blame because this is his first year as the OC. That always has its growing pains and issues, plus the insane number of injuries. But the other part of that story is that the entire reason he given the job was for continuity with what we had previously.
The problem is we're not doing the things we did previously! We're not doing hard play action with deep shots, we're not hitting on those 15-25 yard mid range pass plays. It's just check down after check down. For example, AJB is having his worst yards per catch of his career, his yards after catch is down to less than half of what it's been in his previous two years, and it's the same story with his yards per target.
Everyone wants to say it's only because we're throwing to scrubs, but even our star WR is having his worst year by far when he plays. Every part of our passing game is worst than it ever has been with this core group of players.
EDIT: Bonus stat for AJB - his TD% (TD/Targets):
2019: 9.5%
2020: 10.4%
2021: 3.8%
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Considering our offensive collapse Henry should still be considered..give Taylor Offensive Player of the Year but Henry is a true MVP
Considering our offensive collapse Henry should still be considered..give Taylor Offensive Player of the Year but Henry is a true MVP
Maybe Vrabel needs to take the team for a run through Gettysburg...they need to come together soon or the playoffs will be short lived
Henry should be given the MVP just based on how our offense tanked after he went down.
I don't need stats to see that Brewer got absolutely killed on that 1st series. And then him, Davis, and Quess get raped the rest of the game.
I honestly overlooked Davis because the other 2 were so bad.
Watched Tom Brady throw to horse shiot for 20 years, and still win. Same with Moon. It's the QB. Tannehill is average at his best.
That’s actually horseshit…. Both Brady and Moon had weapons ALOT better than Tannehill has had this season. It is one of the biggest lies/myths of all time that Brady never had offensive weapons. He did. He wasn’t running practice squad guys out there every game winning Super Bowls. Moon had great WRs. But it was also the scheme. Also people should quit comparing THill to HOF QBs. He is NOT a HOF QB, but he can be pretty good.
Tom Bradys regular season TDs as a Patriot.
Regular Season: 541 TDs to 77 different targets
Regular Season: 541 TDs to 77 different targets
- Rob Gronkowski (78)
- Randy Moss (39)
- Julian Edelman (36)
- Wes Welker (34)
- James White (24)
- Deion Branch (24)
- Aaron Hernandez (18)
- Daniel Graham (17)
- Benjamin Watson (17)
- David Patten (16)
- Troy Brown (15)
- Christian Fauria (13)
- David Givens (12)
- Chris Hogan (11)
- Danny Amendola (10)
- Kevin Faulk (10)
- Mike Vrabel (8)
- Phillip Dorsett (7)
- Brandin Cooks (7)
- Brandon LaFell (7)
- Shane Vereen (7)
- Martellus Bennett (6)
- Jabar Gaffney (6)
- Tim Wright (6)
- Dion Lewis (5)
- Josh Gordon (4)
- Reche Caldwell (4)
- Scott Chandler (4)
- Aaron Dobson (4)
- Bethel Johnson (4)
- Brandon Lloyd (4)
- Malcolm Mitchell (4)
- Donte' Stallworth (4)
- Kenbrell Thompkins (4)
- Danny Woodhead (4)
- Rex Burkhead (4)
- Doug Gabriel (3)
- Chad Jackson (3)
- Antowain Smith (3)
- Jermaine Wiggins (3)
- Brandon Bolden (3)
- N'Keal Harry (2)
- Sam Aiken (2)
- Kyle Brady (2)
- Chris Baker (2)
- Alge Crumpler (2)
- Corey Dillon (2)
- Tim Dwight (2)
- Marc Edwards (2)
- Donald Hayes (2)
- Keshawn Martin (2)
- Cordarrelle Patterson (2)
- Brandon Tate (2)
- Dwayne Allen (1)
- Tom Ashworth (1)
- LaGarrette Blount (1)
- Matt Lengel (1)
- Michael Floyd (1)
- Larry Centers (1)
- Cam Cleeland (1)
- Andre' Davis (1)
- Heath Evans (1)
- Terry Glenn (1)
- Michael Hoomanawanui (1)
- Charles Johnson (1)
- Laurence Maroney (1)
- Mathew Mulligan (1)
- Chad Ochocinco (1)
- Patrick Pass (1)
- David Thomas (1)
- Brian Tyms (1)
- Dedric Ward (1)
- Matt LaCosse (1)
- Ryan Izzo (1)
- Elandon Roberts (1)
- Antonio Brown (1)
- Mohamed Sanu (1)
Postseason: 73 TDs to 28 different targets
- Rob Gronkowski (12)
- David Givens (7)
- Danny Amendola (5)
- Julian Edelman (5)
- Deion Branch (4)
- Chris Hogan (4)
- Wes Welker (4)
- Jabar Gaffney (3)
- Benjamin Watson (3)
- James White (3)
- Aaron Hernandez (2)
- Brandon LaFell (2)
- Shane Vereen (2)
- Mike Vrabel (2)
- Phillip Dorsett (2)
- Troy Brown (1)
- Reche Caldwell (1)
- Alge Crumpler (1)
- James Develin (1)
- Kevin Faulk (1)
- Daniel Graham (1)
- Bethel Johnson (1)
- Brandon Lloyd (1)
- Randy Moss (1)
- David Patten (1)
- Nate Solder (1)
- Dion Lewis (1)
- Danny Woodhead (1)
Super bowl 1/2 at least, I disagree. He really didn’t have weapons but he also wasn’t how the Patriots won. Brady was very pedestrian up until his 3rd/4th SB trip.
His D was really good for a lot of his trophies too.
He had weapons. He wasn’t running practice squad guys out there. You cannot dispute that. Tannehill has been playing with guys who weren’t even on teams.
Troy brown, David patten, Charles Johnson. Sound pretty practice squad to me, maybe STers.
In 2001 NE 1st Brady Super Bowl,
Troy Brown had 1199 yards yards and made the Pro Bowl. Not Practice squad. not even close 944 yards the year before and 894 the year after, Played 14 years. He was a good player in the league.
David Patten…. Yea.. I’m not going to keep listing their stats, Siffice it to say you are wrong,
If Tannehill had these guys he would have way better talent on offense than he has had. Before you go the route of Brady made them better explain how ? Sure he made them better, but not 1200 yards in a season better. PLUS…. BRADY IS THE GOAT. Tannehill isn’t. But it doesn’t make him bad.
But pleases stop with the Brady didn’t have weapons BS. It’s just that. BS.
Troy Brown has 3 decent seasons to a 15 year career. He happened to have all 3 in 00’, 01’, 02, when he started doing anything at 29 years old (his 8th season) Today, titans fans complain that a career ST guy like Brown (and that’s what he was) sees the field as much as he does never mind becoming the #1 WR in NE.
That 1199 was good enough for 10th that year, his best year and he still only got 5 TDs,
Patten is what nick westbrook-Ikhine would be if he was the #2 guy for an entire season.
Brady threw for 2800 yards, 18/12 that year. People are furious that THill has the same numbers now and with the same caliber “weapons”.
2001, weapons werent there. It’s not BS that year.
2003 Troy brown (400 yards, much more on par for his career)
David givens, Deion branch, Daniel Graham, and Christian fauria
Kevin Faulk is one of the top WR with 440 yards
That is a loaded team of marginal talent to throw to.
That’s not weapons. That’s the goat QB making things happen with weak a$$ wr and TE.
He did it again in 2004 with the same “weapons”.
There are plenty of things happening that are not Tannehill's fault. No doubt about it. There are things Tannehill is doing as well though.
I know there are going to be problems with his "weapons". I know there have been times when Tannehill is throwing to a spot and the receivers run wrong routes. I am also sure that causes him to hesitate sometimes to make sure the receiver is going to be there. He cant hesitate. The line is not giving him the time to hesitate. He has to put the ball where it needs to go and if the receiver isnt there, then the receiver gets his ass chewed out.
Also, Tannehill's accuracy has been OFF. So many of his passes are high and behind. That kills any chance of yards after catch.
I understand what you’re saying about his accuracy, I.e. not in the catch and run spot, but overall, he’s above his normal %.
Career he’s 64%. 5 games this year he’s been less than that, only 1 under 60% (NE). Which includes he second highest for the season, 71.9, against Pit.
Yeah, most of them are catchable. We are just missing out on those 10 yard slants that turn into tds from the run after.
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