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rcarie said:
Again, you are not making any sense. Volek has put up decent numbers in most of his starts and that's all he can do. Defense issues are not related to Volek... he doesn't play defense after all. You are saying that Volek sucks and blaming him for the team overall result, and yet refuse to give any credit to his individual stats.
As for the win column, yes you are mistaken. The Titans have won at least three games (that I remember) when Volek started.
rcarie said:
I'd say that his PCT is impressive considering the amount of times he likes to go deep, but that certainly not the point. I'm not trying to compare his PCT to Hall of Fame players. The point is that you say he sucks more than Collins without giving any valid reason, and with Volek having a better PCT and rating than Collins.
rcarie said:
I believe that was the '03 season, and he had a start against Buffalo late in that season which ended in an important win to secure a playoff spot.
rcarie said:
I brought up the PCT and rating because according to you Volek sucks more than Collins, that's all. I wasn't trying to imply that his PCT makes him an elite QB. Overall, excluding the '03, Volek has started on weak teams playing meaningless games the last couple of seasons. What did McNair do to help this team win in that same period of time?
I don't believe Volek stats to be meaningless in this situation, since you mentioned that he has failed every single time he has started. Stats prove otherwise.
I don't really know what else I can say on this topic, so I intend to make this my last post on Collins vs. Volek (at least before game 1).
No one has claimed that Collins is a great QB, simply that he is a better fit for this team than Volek. The coaches gave up on Volek as a starter and turned to Collins for a reason. He's isn't here to be a long term solution. He's just here to bridge gap between the McNair era to (hopefully) the Vince Young era. He isn't going to make the Titans a great team, but he will be better for them than Volek.
In terms of leadership, Collins may not have a ton of winning seasons under his belt, but does a bad leader take his team to the Super Bowl and to another NFC Championship game? The Titans have tried hard this offseason to bring in good leaders and I fully believe that this is one reason they feel Collins is the better choice than Volek.
And on the field, Collins threw for more yards in 5 of his last 6 individual seasons (since becoming the Giants' starter) than Volek has in his entire career (517 pass attempts). And that other season he would have had he not missed 3 games.
No one has claimed that Collins is a great QB, simply that he is a better fit for this team than Volek. The coaches gave up on Volek as a starter and turned to Collins for a reason. He's isn't here to be a long term solution. He's just here to bridge gap between the McNair era to (hopefully) the Vince Young era. He isn't going to make the Titans a great team, but he will be better for them than Volek.
In terms of leadership, Collins may not have a ton of winning seasons under his belt, but does a bad leader take his team to the Super Bowl and to another NFC Championship game? The Titans have tried hard this offseason to bring in good leaders and I fully believe that this is one reason they feel Collins is the better choice than Volek.
And on the field, Collins threw for more yards in 5 of his last 6 individual seasons (since becoming the Giants' starter) than Volek has in his entire career (517 pass attempts). And that other season he would have had he not missed 3 games.
Mr. Analyst, either I've a) gotten very smart in a short period of time b) am experiencing bipolar hypomania due to the lunar calender c) am correct in my past assertions that you do not actually read posts d) making you look like a fool has become incredibly easy or e) all or a combination of any of the above...RollTide said:
First, I'll start with the pro bowler thing... Collins is a probowler. That's just too easy... and let me tell you... I know that you are a older fella and very set in your ways, and there is nothing wrong with that... but people who were 8 years old when 1985 Chicago Bears won the Super Bowl... we listen to what the other poster says because one thing I bring to this forum is a sense of humility and a desire to learn. That's why I read the threads before I go off into free thought 5000 keystoke posts. Bottom line... this quote from the text of the thread is my source on which I base that. In fact I alluded to it being posted. What makes this all the more humiliating for you at this point, maybe not in your mind but in the minds of your peers for the post in question was directed squarely at you. I don't think you are a waste of time and energy Bright Eyes.
TitanJeff said:
Oh and the Titans Drafting Vince is a real confidence booster... Billy knows he isn't the future any way. Not to mention, almost all of his starts have came at times when he knew he was the starter going into that week. There have been lots of QB's that have earned starting spots by coming off the bench and playing well. They didn't need to be told is was their team.BlazingArrow#9 said:
TitanJeff said:
And he plainly doesn't really believe in the arguments he eggs on, he just sees some people make a statement, and he automatically takes the opposite side just to stir up a big ruck. Sad that someone gets their perverse joy by doing that.
Lies, half-truths, mudslinging, name calling, word twisting, negative assumptions all for his sick self pleasure in causing strife among fans of the same team. Sad indeed.
I can't wait for one of these threads to start after the game:
1.) Why Collins won us the game
2.) Why Collins cost us the game
3.) Why Collins sucks
4.) Why we would have won if Volek was the QB
of course I am assuming Collins will start, if not replace Collins with Volek in the first 3 then replace Volek with Collins in the last one
1.) Why Collins won us the game
2.) Why Collins cost us the game
3.) Why Collins sucks
4.) Why we would have won if Volek was the QB
of course I am assuming Collins will start, if not replace Collins with Volek in the first 3 then replace Volek with Collins in the last one
This thread is going no where.. For all those who wish that Volek start, sorry bout your luck cause it ain't happening. Fish will go with Collins even if Collins isn't fully ready. He has lost faith in Volek. You have the right to be a Volek fan but its gonna suck come Sunday when he's ridin the pine.
It really doesn't matter whether anyone thinks Volek or Collins are better. It will all come down to Sunday afternoon. If Billy can win the spot and he earns his way out there than I'm all for it but I have a great deal of confidence that it will never happen.
It really doesn't matter whether anyone thinks Volek or Collins are better. It will all come down to Sunday afternoon. If Billy can win the spot and he earns his way out there than I'm all for it but I have a great deal of confidence that it will never happen.
Maybe Collins is here to back up Vince Young and mentor him a bit. Maybe they are going to start Collins until they feel they have Vince ready to go out and win a game. Maybe it is Kerry Collins job to get us to 3-3 or something... You know they are dying to play Young but can't. Maybe my master, since I am a lap dog after all, feels as if he doesn't have enough time for Billy to learn how to win. He just figures he'll go with a guy who at least does not have a mental block on it. The guy played in New York and all they are asking for is .500 ball and some advice for Young in practice? I don't think Collins will need any gin in his gatorade bottle to handle a mission like that on a one year deal.
Billy on the other hand needs to "showcase" himself because he has something prove to the other 31 teams that do not want him to be their starter. The more I think about it the more it sounds like a pretty good stategy. Volek has had the benefit of a "no pressure" camp. Maybe they really wanted Billy to pan out. They could easily had Collins in there as well. Maybe they chose not to invite him as to give Billy the best shot possible and not have the distraction to camp but kept in communication. As if Vince Young wasn't enough to rattle his cage.
We have been hearing Collins off in the distance since the spring anyhow. Just a bad dream we told ourselves... well, wake up. Collins has been working out with a trainer and studying the play book... jumping rope and making throws just waiting for the phone to ring. I bet you after they drafted Young they told Collins they would make him an offer pending the outcome of Volek... I bet they said if Volek wasn't working out they would faze him in... meanwhile read this and watch these.
Yeah, it sounds cold blooded. If you can't deal with that grow a pair because this is Titans football so you better wear a cup or the F.O. will kick you squarely in the nards.
(see litany of cuts and trades the past 5 years)
Billy on the other hand needs to "showcase" himself because he has something prove to the other 31 teams that do not want him to be their starter. The more I think about it the more it sounds like a pretty good stategy. Volek has had the benefit of a "no pressure" camp. Maybe they really wanted Billy to pan out. They could easily had Collins in there as well. Maybe they chose not to invite him as to give Billy the best shot possible and not have the distraction to camp but kept in communication. As if Vince Young wasn't enough to rattle his cage.
We have been hearing Collins off in the distance since the spring anyhow. Just a bad dream we told ourselves... well, wake up. Collins has been working out with a trainer and studying the play book... jumping rope and making throws just waiting for the phone to ring. I bet you after they drafted Young they told Collins they would make him an offer pending the outcome of Volek... I bet they said if Volek wasn't working out they would faze him in... meanwhile read this and watch these.
Yeah, it sounds cold blooded. If you can't deal with that grow a pair because this is Titans football so you better wear a cup or the F.O. will kick you squarely in the nards.
(see litany of cuts and trades the past 5 years)
If you feel Fisher is a competent coach, then you have to feel the move was justified in his opinion. A beefed up OL can't make the QB make better reads. If that was the issue, then only answer is try to upgrade the QB.Soxcat said:
According to his agent, Collins had interest. We can't know if he'd be on a roster or not if the Titans hadn't of signed him.
"Far worse than average?" Based on what?
Last season, he was #6 in passing yards. #10 in TDs. He was #20 in passer rating. C'mon, he's not a top 10 QB by any stretch but isn't "far worse than average".
If Collins does play we will see how he plays. I do not think I really need to bash the guy anymore. It is not like Fisher is on the board right now chomping at the bit to see what I think of the QB situation ..... are you .... ?
If so DON'T PLAY COLLINS :moon2:
I have a feeling if he does play everyone will see the issues I see in his play, if he does not have the issues then we are doing better then I expected and that is great in my book too.
Whom ever starts against the Jets, good luck. Go Titans and lets start this season out right in the W column.
If so DON'T PLAY COLLINS :moon2:
I have a feeling if he does play everyone will see the issues I see in his play, if he does not have the issues then we are doing better then I expected and that is great in my book too.
Whom ever starts against the Jets, good luck. Go Titans and lets start this season out right in the W column.
Brian said:
No what is truly said is that is what you come back with. Don't you have some players family member to dog. Who by the way was not cut and is still on our team. Guess you were wrong there too. See this is where :sad2: works.
As I said a couple posts back I am done here, the topic is dead IMO.
Jimmy hoffa...
Your opinion on this matter would be greatly appreciated but i doubt you summon up the courage to have one. Very much like gunny i'm afraid to say.
If hiding behind titan jeff or starkiller is the best you can do i feel sorry for you. I didn't start trouble on this thread i simply took up a cause for volek over collins. It was then that starkiller, titan jeff with you hiding behind them who decided that collins was the man. They are the company insiders and god forbid anyone would criticise company policy on this board.
I form opinions jimmy baby! I say the world is round and a whole buch of yahoos will automatically want to argue.
There is nothing illogical about my opinion. I'm the one with the opinion that is deeper than fisher is always right. I'm the one with stats on my side.
You want to take me on be my guest but do it directly not the sissy man way. This isn't the elementary school playground. This is the big leagues!
I am the big leagues!
Your opinion on this matter would be greatly appreciated but i doubt you summon up the courage to have one. Very much like gunny i'm afraid to say.
If hiding behind titan jeff or starkiller is the best you can do i feel sorry for you. I didn't start trouble on this thread i simply took up a cause for volek over collins. It was then that starkiller, titan jeff with you hiding behind them who decided that collins was the man. They are the company insiders and god forbid anyone would criticise company policy on this board.
I form opinions jimmy baby! I say the world is round and a whole buch of yahoos will automatically want to argue.
There is nothing illogical about my opinion. I'm the one with the opinion that is deeper than fisher is always right. I'm the one with stats on my side.
You want to take me on be my guest but do it directly not the sissy man way. This isn't the elementary school playground. This is the big leagues!
I am the big leagues!
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