Titans2008 said:
A lot of people on this thread have compared our D to the Pats and broncos, maybe not you, but others have. And I am not sure what strategy you guys want Schwartz to take. We dont have a big time pass rusher, and we dont have shut down corners, if your going to blitz consistently, you have to have at least one or the other. Our D is not talented, so the best strategy is clearly to make the other teams earn it by driving down the field. We did not have the personel to run a 46, and if anybody thinks we did they are nuts. Our corners got eaten alive as it was, can you imagine what happens if we leave them in more one on one situations?
We should never Blitz Manning we might give up the big play,instead of the 20 and 30 yrd gains they get against our zone coverage.
Then again maybe we should wait until we have all the "right" players Jimmy needs to be a succesfull DC?
Then again maybe we should wait until we have all the "right" players Jimmy needs to be a succesfull DC?
If you run one defense, a retarded 15 year old Madden player could write a game plan to destroy it. It's all about balance and being unpredictable.
super_titan said:
Explain your strategy. Who do you want to blitz and which corners can cover harrison or wayne one one one, let me know. Is Sirmon going to cover Dallas Clark, while Kassell is blitzing, umm, no he cant. And who gets Edge out of the backfield while all our guys are blitzing? Bulluck is our best blitzing linebacker so I guess Kassell takes Dallas Clark, not a fair matchup, and Sirmon covers edge, not a fair matchup. Or we could bring the safeties up to help with those guys so Pac Man and Hill can cover Wayne and Harrison one on one, not to mention stokely, explain who you want to cover these guys with all the blitzes we should be doing. I am interested who on our team can cover any of those guys one on one.
No team in the league has a player that can cover a top offensive player one on one consistantly.
you can be agressive and play the cover 2 or any other D
Titan D does not HIT, does not TACKLE and does not assert themselves on the field. If you are going to play sissy D ya at least got to make the O pay for their yards. Get a SS/FS who will make WR's grow alligator arms.
Titan DL is solid and while I agree overall with the LB's play this year, Sirmon and Bulluck have had success blitzing. All this injury crap is just a bunch of bull. If Sirmon was injured he should have went on IR again and let someone else take his snaps - NEWSFLASH he was NOT INJURED. Same with the other girly men looking at their knees after every play.
One thing the D did good this year - their was not a Titan down after every play like the two seaons before that. One of those guys, AH in particular, would lay on the field after almost every play. That particular pitiful display has been cut down on. I know it does not reflect on the scoreboard but it made them seem weak, so maybe there is hope.
Next Titan that missed an openfield tackle because of poor form should be cut.
Titan D does not HIT, does not TACKLE and does not assert themselves on the field. If you are going to play sissy D ya at least got to make the O pay for their yards. Get a SS/FS who will make WR's grow alligator arms.
Titan DL is solid and while I agree overall with the LB's play this year, Sirmon and Bulluck have had success blitzing. All this injury crap is just a bunch of bull. If Sirmon was injured he should have went on IR again and let someone else take his snaps - NEWSFLASH he was NOT INJURED. Same with the other girly men looking at their knees after every play.
One thing the D did good this year - their was not a Titan down after every play like the two seaons before that. One of those guys, AH in particular, would lay on the field after almost every play. That particular pitiful display has been cut down on. I know it does not reflect on the scoreboard but it made them seem weak, so maybe there is hope.
Next Titan that missed an openfield tackle because of poor form should be cut.
GoT said:
Thats exactly my point you can be successful running our style of defense, but you have to have the players to run any defense in the NFL. We dont have the players, and if you think we do, then I ask you to point them out to me because I dont see it. No one on our team is the level of Urlacher, Tommie Harris, Alex Brown, or Ogunleye, nobody. Which is exactly my point that our defensive problems are personell issues more than coaching. If you disagree then name guys who are to the talent level of those guys, you cant do it.
ANYONE CAN HIT. Anyone can be aggressive. All NFL defensive players should tackle.
No rule requires that a player be All-Pro to hit. The Titans do not Hit, will not use proper tackling form - everyone of them tries to blow up the offensive player instead of wrapping them up, and the coaching staff, but particularly the DC, allows this to continue.
What I am saying is if Sirmon won't cut it then cut Sirmon. Same with the whole lot of them.
No rule requires that a player be All-Pro to hit. The Titans do not Hit, will not use proper tackling form - everyone of them tries to blow up the offensive player instead of wrapping them up, and the coaching staff, but particularly the DC, allows this to continue.
What I am saying is if Sirmon won't cut it then cut Sirmon. Same with the whole lot of them.
Titans2008 said:
Haynesworth is a DT and Brown is a pass rushing DE, and I would argue Brown is better any day of the week. And Haynesworth certainly isnt as consistant as Tommie Harris who is one of the top DTs in the league in only his second year.
GoT said:
I agree, so your obviously agreeing with me thats its personell issues right? Your supporting my argument here, Sirmon was good before the injury, and maybe he will get back to that point, but he was slow as molassess this past year and wouldnt have seen the field on any quality defense around the league, yet he is our best option at that spot. That is personell issues my friend, not coaching.
No I disagree with you completly. Sirmon was the Staff/DC's choice. There were other Titans available and plenty of guys not in the league. Sirmon, as a for instance, was allowed to play even though he was slow and discrete with his hitting.
Again the DC/staff condones this whimpy attitude by rewarding sissified play with yet more playing time. One of the reasons I changed my mind on Adam Jones is that he at least seemed to care. Now he still needs to start form tackling as it is obvious that a little dude like him has to tackle properly in the NFL or he don't do any tackling at all. Was he ever benched for poor tackling NO
he mouth got him some pine time, but not his sloppy tackling.
Again the DC/staff condones this whimpy attitude by rewarding sissified play with yet more playing time. One of the reasons I changed my mind on Adam Jones is that he at least seemed to care. Now he still needs to start form tackling as it is obvious that a little dude like him has to tackle properly in the NFL or he don't do any tackling at all. Was he ever benched for poor tackling NO
he mouth got him some pine time, but not his sloppy tackling.
GoT said:
Yeah he looked real good against Jerry Porter for instance, top notch tackling. Pac Man is not going to be a tackler at any point, he is too small, he is going to have to rely on his cover skills and that takes a year or two for most any young corner.
So, you agree that Sirmon wasnt worth a damn, yet it isnt a personell decision right? I didnt realize that the DC brought players in, I always thought that was the GM and HC job, I guess you learn something new everyday. So, since I am wrong about the GMs job, can you explain to me why Floyd gets a big paycheck if its not his job to bring players in. Thanks, I am obviously confused.
Sirmon should have been benched, and other players brought in EVEN if that meant the MLB of the week. I really don't care. MY point is that the DC/staff was obviously content with underperforming LB's and DB's cause they kept sending the same guys out and did not bench for lack of performance.
The DC/staff's kept playing them even though they obviously cared more about feeding their family or whatever than they did about doing a good job on the field. Subs should have been given PT and promoted and I mean liberally.
and say whatever you want about personell, the Titans lacked attitude way more than they lacked personell. As you stated most of these guys have performed better in the past, and none of them are approaching 40 or anything, so their lack of attitude and effort should have had repercussions, but there were none as it was business as usual and everything is fine at Baptist Sports Park.
On the flip side, even though it was obvious that the LB's and DB underperformed, and even if personel changes were impossible, Schwartz has not proven that he can get the best from his players EVER. There is not one time in dehr Schwartzies DC tenure that the D outperformed the talent. And this D is loaded with high draft picks.
The DC/staff's kept playing them even though they obviously cared more about feeding their family or whatever than they did about doing a good job on the field. Subs should have been given PT and promoted and I mean liberally.
and say whatever you want about personell, the Titans lacked attitude way more than they lacked personell. As you stated most of these guys have performed better in the past, and none of them are approaching 40 or anything, so their lack of attitude and effort should have had repercussions, but there were none as it was business as usual and everything is fine at Baptist Sports Park.
On the flip side, even though it was obvious that the LB's and DB underperformed, and even if personel changes were impossible, Schwartz has not proven that he can get the best from his players EVER. There is not one time in dehr Schwartzies DC tenure that the D outperformed the talent. And this D is loaded with high draft picks.
dg1979us said:
So you suggest we just keep trying the same formula over and over that has never worked and getting torched for 20 and 30 yrds at a time?
If you watched the the Colts get beat yeterday you would have saw Manning,when under pressure ,alot of his throws were way off target, thats what happens when you blitz and bring pressure then your young corners dont have to cover as long and the 20 and 30 yrd routes dont have time to develop.
Our D has been weak ever since Schwartz has been our DC. Even when he had Rolle, Schultzer and Dyson in the backfield. Is Jimmy a smart guy? Maybe. Can he coach players and get the best out of them? No way.
It's funny, last night on channel 5 news they had a pannel of local sports broadcasters and print journalist (6 all together) get together to discuss the problems with the Titans and not one person mentioned anything about Schwartz. The emphasis was on Fisher, as it should be. Everybody's complaining about Schwartz but it's Fisher who's responsible for this team. Especially the defense!! This isn't Schwartz's D, it's Fisher's. Why is that so hard to grasp for people. You want to complain about packages and blitz's when it all comes from Fish. It won't matter who they get as a DC they'll run the same type of conservative Defenses that they've always run. Just like they did when Williams was here. Fisher has becom lax with the whole team. You can talk about the attitude of the D being that of a girl, and you'd be right, but it is that way for the entire team not just the D. We don't have anyone stepping up on offense either. It's just as pitiful on both sides of the ball not just the D.
super_titan said:
No, I suggest getting good players on the defensive side of the ball. How in the world do you think we have the players on our defense to do what the steelers did yesterday?
conservative defense and greg williams dont belong in the same sentence together.rcarie said:
dg1979us said:
A cover 2 doesn't mean you play soft zone or not blitz, it just means you have safety help over the halves. There are philosophical differences between a Tampa 2 and this bush-league bend-then-break soft zone that Schwartz implements. a cover 2 blitz is one of the easiest to bring because you still have your corners and safeties in the right spots, now you're just opening up the underneath, that isn't what we do.
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