Stat boy must respond to gunny's post!
I don't think anyone on this board has not admitted that manning played poorly in those two patriot losses. No question. Manning himself would admit that. But the problem with this steeler game and all three of those losses is that the opposition had a big edge in time of possession. That limited manning's possession opportunities. As soxcat said the steelers held the ball which is the reason manning refused to punt the ball on that 4th down play. Hell the steelers went for it on 4th down twice when it was illogical to do so and made it!
Last year corey dillon rushed for 144 yards on that defense and back in 2000 lamar smith ran for 200 yards on the colts in a playoff game.
I don't think anyone on this board has not admitted that manning played poorly in those two patriot losses. No question. Manning himself would admit that. But the problem with this steeler game and all three of those losses is that the opposition had a big edge in time of possession. That limited manning's possession opportunities. As soxcat said the steelers held the ball which is the reason manning refused to punt the ball on that 4th down play. Hell the steelers went for it on 4th down twice when it was illogical to do so and made it!
Last year corey dillon rushed for 144 yards on that defense and back in 2000 lamar smith ran for 200 yards on the colts in a playoff game.
I have a question...
For guys like titan 2008, gunny and mad about mcnair.
How does this compute?
If mcnair is the best QB on the planet. Jeff fisher is a great coach doing a great job, and floyd resse is doing such a solid job then why are the titans 9-24 in their last 33 games? Mcnair has a 7-16 record in his last 23 starts and has missed 10 starts during that time.
Why do we suck so bad? I find it interesting that the same posters want to defend everything about an organization that is run so horribly. Why is that? You don't care that we lose? You can't think logically?
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For guys like titan 2008, gunny and mad about mcnair.
How does this compute?
If mcnair is the best QB on the planet. Jeff fisher is a great coach doing a great job, and floyd resse is doing such a solid job then why are the titans 9-24 in their last 33 games? Mcnair has a 7-16 record in his last 23 starts and has missed 10 starts during that time.
Why do we suck so bad? I find it interesting that the same posters want to defend everything about an organization that is run so horribly. Why is that? You don't care that we lose? You can't think logically?
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answer my question.
And your talking about logical thinking? quote me when I have said Fisher is the best coach on the planet? Reese? et al.
You still living in the 60s?
And your talking about logical thinking? quote me when I have said Fisher is the best coach on the planet? Reese? et al.
You still living in the 60s?
Gunny...
when I have said Fisher is the best coach on the planet? Reese? et al.
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I didn't say you did but if steve mcnair is better than peyton manning(your claim here) then he sure and the hell must be the best QB on the planet or close.
Look gunny i could splice together numerous posts and comments from you where you defend these bozos every chance you get. You think that keith bulluck is always being jobbed out of a pro bowl. To read your posts one could only conclude that you are happy with this team.
On the grade reese and fisher thread there were 4 bozos who actually gave them an A grade. I just assume one of them was you. Why wouldn't i? You were on that thread defending them.
Great players and great coaches are just that because they overcome adversity. They prevail when they normally wouldn't be expected to. For guys like you adversity is always an excuse to suck. Really suck!
when I have said Fisher is the best coach on the planet? Reese? et al.
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I didn't say you did but if steve mcnair is better than peyton manning(your claim here) then he sure and the hell must be the best QB on the planet or close.
Look gunny i could splice together numerous posts and comments from you where you defend these bozos every chance you get. You think that keith bulluck is always being jobbed out of a pro bowl. To read your posts one could only conclude that you are happy with this team.
On the grade reese and fisher thread there were 4 bozos who actually gave them an A grade. I just assume one of them was you. Why wouldn't i? You were on that thread defending them.
Great players and great coaches are just that because they overcome adversity. They prevail when they normally wouldn't be expected to. For guys like you adversity is always an excuse to suck. Really suck!
RollTide said:
For guys like RollTide, why do you defend teams like the New Orlean Saints ?
How does that compute ?
They are horrible. They have been for a long time. They are run poorly. <Insert random facts that support my conclusions here> Why do you say that Aaron Brooks is better than Peyton Manning ? He was benched at the end of the season. They are picking 2nd for a reason !
I find it interesting that the same poster wants to make generic statements with no evidence (quotes).
Titan 2008...
What are you smoking? I never touted the new orlean saints. And i would never never say that brooks was better than manning. I actually bashed brooks and said that he was inferior to mcnair. Say what you will about the saints being terrible you won't get an arguemnt from me but remember they have won 2 more games than the titans the last 2 years and they had to deal with this tiny little distraction called hurricane katrina which ruined the city and stadium they play in!!!!
What are you smoking? I never touted the new orlean saints. And i would never never say that brooks was better than manning. I actually bashed brooks and said that he was inferior to mcnair. Say what you will about the saints being terrible you won't get an arguemnt from me but remember they have won 2 more games than the titans the last 2 years and they had to deal with this tiny little distraction called hurricane katrina which ruined the city and stadium they play in!!!!
Tide, I'm sorry but you have pathetically taken this interesting thread way beyond the context of McNair vs. Manning and into the realm of utter stupidity. Just read your arrogant, ranting posts...Why don't you use all that great statistical knowledge for something good instead of acting like some stark raving mad fan with an inferiority complex?
Kami said "end thread" I don't even know how many times...
I laughed actually...because I thought to myself, "no, this is really getting good..." but gee whiz man...
Tide, I've always admired your stubbornness...I've always thought it was interesting that you have a statistical argument for everything...The only thing that you have really proven here is that it doesn't matter to you how you treat people...that and you are not satisfied if someone decides that they would rather agree to disagree...
I can't believe you insinuate that Gunny is not a real fan. :sad2:
Kami said "end thread" I don't even know how many times...
I laughed actually...because I thought to myself, "no, this is really getting good..." but gee whiz man...
Tide, I've always admired your stubbornness...I've always thought it was interesting that you have a statistical argument for everything...The only thing that you have really proven here is that it doesn't matter to you how you treat people...that and you are not satisfied if someone decides that they would rather agree to disagree...
I can't believe you insinuate that Gunny is not a real fan. :sad2:
RollTide said:
yeah you keep thinking like that.
where have I said am not p***d off at the losing seasons? Who says I am happy with how the Titans are?
probably because you have love-fests with every other QB in the league who does a half decent job.
I have never even said McNair is better then Manning.
well sorry I don't look at statistics, I look at wins. And last time I checked McNair has more then Manning.
But for now I will look at statistics.
Stat 1 - Colts defense holds teams to 21 points.
Stat 2 - Manning can't seem to get to 21 points.
Gunny....
The entire premise of this board from the beginning was that mcnair is BETTER than manning. That was what mstitan said. If you don't agree with that then why are you posting here? Certainly not to defend manning. On a couple more threads you defended this team's coach and management. Where would i ever assume that you are unhappy with the way things are? I have never read anything to that effect.
The entire premise of this board from the beginning was that mcnair is BETTER than manning. That was what mstitan said. If you don't agree with that then why are you posting here? Certainly not to defend manning. On a couple more threads you defended this team's coach and management. Where would i ever assume that you are unhappy with the way things are? I have never read anything to that effect.
Because I don't post it doesnt mean I don't think it.
I didn't know you were keeping such close tabs on me, next time I will convey my feelings to you.
I didn't know you were keeping such close tabs on me, next time I will convey my feelings to you.
RollTide said:
Wow.....
RollTide said:
So now we shouldn't post unless we agree with the first post ? Lol, why are you still here posting ? Great logic there buddy...
2008...
The premise of the person who started this thread was that steve mcnair was BETTER than peyton manning. A poster named gunny wrote post after post bashing manning. Now all of a sudden he claims he never said or believed that mcnair was better. So what was the point of his posts? You either agree with that premise or disagree. I happen to disagree. If gunny holds the same opinion that i do then why is he arguing?
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with a certain premise but you don't spend numerous posts making a point you never even agreed with in the first place.
The premise of the person who started this thread was that steve mcnair was BETTER than peyton manning. A poster named gunny wrote post after post bashing manning. Now all of a sudden he claims he never said or believed that mcnair was better. So what was the point of his posts? You either agree with that premise or disagree. I happen to disagree. If gunny holds the same opinion that i do then why is he arguing?
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with a certain premise but you don't spend numerous posts making a point you never even agreed with in the first place.
SEC 330 BIPOLAR said:
You should research Bamaboys tourtured argument that Gannon was the best QB in the league in 2003?
man that one was a blast!
GoT...
You can start by being truthful. It was after the 2002 season that i rated gannon the best QB in the league. As i said then and have repeated this many times my ratings of the QBs then was based on actual performance not predictions of future performance. I actually wrote that because of his age gannon would be in decline.
In 2002 rich gannon was the most valuable player in the entire nfl. Hardly a stretch then to say he was the best QB. He had made 4 straight pro bowls and absolutely destroyed our defense in 2 games against him in 2002.
In that thread i started between the 2002 and 2003 seasons i rated mcnabb as the second best QB and mcnair third. Favre 4th, manning 5th and brady 6th. I was chided by starkiller for having brady that high.
As i made clear then when i started that thread my rankings were based on how they had played the previous few years not on how i thought they might play in the future. You know that so try being honest about it.
You can start by being truthful. It was after the 2002 season that i rated gannon the best QB in the league. As i said then and have repeated this many times my ratings of the QBs then was based on actual performance not predictions of future performance. I actually wrote that because of his age gannon would be in decline.
In 2002 rich gannon was the most valuable player in the entire nfl. Hardly a stretch then to say he was the best QB. He had made 4 straight pro bowls and absolutely destroyed our defense in 2 games against him in 2002.
In that thread i started between the 2002 and 2003 seasons i rated mcnabb as the second best QB and mcnair third. Favre 4th, manning 5th and brady 6th. I was chided by starkiller for having brady that high.
As i made clear then when i started that thread my rankings were based on how they had played the previous few years not on how i thought they might play in the future. You know that so try being honest about it.
Man, I took a couple of days off from this thread. I was having fun with it, then it got kinda tired. I didn't know Gunny hates the Titans. I guess that means I'll hate 'em too. Now, Titans 2008 you have to hate the team too.
So that my message can not be misunderstood by name calling miscreants let me restate my position on this thread.
You can have all of the 6' 5" pale skinned, funny shaped 5-headed, pretty pass throwing, pretty stat posting, choke artist Peyton Manning. I will take the guy that wins playoff games. Steve Mcnair.
And to rebut the whole mcnair, reese, fisher theme you started. Just wait a beat and your golden boy Manning will get his just desserts. The cap will catch up with them too. And then lets see how smart Dungy, Polian, and Manning look then. They will have a 4-12, or 5-11. And they don't have a Super Bowl win either. So how much better is Manning?
He's better at beating Denver, I'll give him that. Wait, no I won't. We almost never play denver.
You can have all of the 6' 5" pale skinned, funny shaped 5-headed, pretty pass throwing, pretty stat posting, choke artist Peyton Manning. I will take the guy that wins playoff games. Steve Mcnair.
And to rebut the whole mcnair, reese, fisher theme you started. Just wait a beat and your golden boy Manning will get his just desserts. The cap will catch up with them too. And then lets see how smart Dungy, Polian, and Manning look then. They will have a 4-12, or 5-11. And they don't have a Super Bowl win either. So how much better is Manning?
He's better at beating Denver, I'll give him that. Wait, no I won't. We almost never play denver.
If we are really looking at both these QBs today I would think Manning has to be the best even if we ignore his bloated HOF stats because one thing we do know for certain is Manning will be healthy for the playoff game (Manning has not missed a game in 8 years, not one). Right now the odds heavily weighted in favor of McNair not making it through a 16 game schedule and even if he is bodily present in the playoffs there is a good chance he will not be 100%.
McNair missed two games outright this year and was less than 100% for many others, not to mention he missed practices galore. Last year McNair missed 50% of the games. One extra year of age certainly will not help McNair improve on that record. Even in McNair's MVP year he missed two games and part of others. Heck, in 1999 he missed 5 games.
McNair missed two games outright this year and was less than 100% for many others, not to mention he missed practices galore. Last year McNair missed 50% of the games. One extra year of age certainly will not help McNair improve on that record. Even in McNair's MVP year he missed two games and part of others. Heck, in 1999 he missed 5 games.
Mad..
I will take the guy that wins playoff games. Steve Mcnair.
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Mcnair wins playoffs games? Since 2000 he has won 2. You and others can make a big issue out of the fact that mcnair has won 5 of 9 playoff games while manning has won 3 out of nine but that hardly proves that mcnair is better in those games just that his team has had a little more success. The titans won a playoff game(bills 99) when mcnair threw for just 76 yards. Would you say he won that game? The titans won a playoff game(2003 ravens) when steve threw 3 ints. Those 2 games are the difference between manning and mcnair in playoff games.
Have you been paying any attention to anything on this thread? Mcnair has hardly been a great playoff QB. His passing rating in the post season is 64. He has three more ints than TDs(6 vs 9). I would not call mcnair a choker in big games but nobody can argue that he has played his best football in the biggest games. He had one great game in leading the titans to a playoff win. A 338 yard effort in the win over the steelers in 2002. He has had some very good games that we have lost in the playoffs but take away that one steeler game and mcnair has averaged just 114 yards passing in 4 of his playoff wins. 114 yards! So please do not tell me that steve mcnair has heroically taken this team on his back and done anything more in big games than manning has done.
Of course you want to make it seem like playoff wins are all that matters but you have to get to the playoofs in the first place. Manning has taken his teams to the playoffs 75% of the time(6 of 8 seasons) mcnair just 44% of the time(4 of 9 seasons). But hey nothing matters if it doesn't make your argument right? They are only facts.
"Pale skinned"? What kind of racist crap is that?
I will take the guy that wins playoff games. Steve Mcnair.
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Mcnair wins playoffs games? Since 2000 he has won 2. You and others can make a big issue out of the fact that mcnair has won 5 of 9 playoff games while manning has won 3 out of nine but that hardly proves that mcnair is better in those games just that his team has had a little more success. The titans won a playoff game(bills 99) when mcnair threw for just 76 yards. Would you say he won that game? The titans won a playoff game(2003 ravens) when steve threw 3 ints. Those 2 games are the difference between manning and mcnair in playoff games.
Have you been paying any attention to anything on this thread? Mcnair has hardly been a great playoff QB. His passing rating in the post season is 64. He has three more ints than TDs(6 vs 9). I would not call mcnair a choker in big games but nobody can argue that he has played his best football in the biggest games. He had one great game in leading the titans to a playoff win. A 338 yard effort in the win over the steelers in 2002. He has had some very good games that we have lost in the playoffs but take away that one steeler game and mcnair has averaged just 114 yards passing in 4 of his playoff wins. 114 yards! So please do not tell me that steve mcnair has heroically taken this team on his back and done anything more in big games than manning has done.
Of course you want to make it seem like playoff wins are all that matters but you have to get to the playoofs in the first place. Manning has taken his teams to the playoffs 75% of the time(6 of 8 seasons) mcnair just 44% of the time(4 of 9 seasons). But hey nothing matters if it doesn't make your argument right? They are only facts.
"Pale skinned"? What kind of racist crap is that?
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