Hey, smarty pants. I got the Pfizer vaccine back in March. No symptoms at all since then. I don’t live in Hawaii. Do you have rubella? Smallpox? Mumps? Small penis envy? Are you mad at your parents for immunizing you as a small, fat, low-IQ, secretly gay baby?
And, all I have to say to not get banned is,”GoT types stupider crap than this in every thread.”
You do realize that around 95% of their patients are unvaccinated?
I’m at a loss for why there’s a push for the vaccine on everyone including those who have had Covid. Study show that natural immunity is 6x more effective than the vaccine AND remains in the system longer than the vaccine (which is why they are recommending boosters).
seems shady/reckless to me.
seems shady/reckless to me.
More and more people started wearing masks?...hard to quantitate that. Don't buy it based on what I have seen in my area. The South is not exactly the poster child for any sort of compliance with common sense because "LIBERTY!".
Ok so lets assume you are right...so explain to me since I have such flawed logic ...who do you assign to the increase in COVID positive cases and hospitalizations? It is not flawed logic that with 40+% of the US population unvaccinated and acting like there is no risk in many places, such as the Southeastern US, that a more highly transmittable variant of the virus would surge [key word here] among that populations and you would see a significant increase in cases despite ongoing vaccination efforts. Not sure why that is a hard concept to envision. Why are 98+% of hospitalizations, with ICUs packed again all over, in the unvaccinated? You telling me those cases are dropping with all this vaccination you talk about? You still have 160+ MILLION people not vaccinated. A SURGE [again key word here] is driving this rate of infection through this population because the variant is so efficient at infection among those people.
I don't understand the logic of arguing what is going on in this country. We have amazing healthcare and brilliant people working on these problems and yet people are out there taking Ivermectin because for SOME reason they are listening to these arguments and deciding that a vet worming med is more reliable and trustworthy than several vaccines proven through global clinical trials to be safe and effective.
It is mind boggling and indefensible.
The data is still out on length of immunity and they have shown the vaccines provides additional boosting of the immunity as well as reduced viral load for transmission even in those previously infected. Several of my staff still have very high spike protein IgG titers going on 7 months post vaccine. The media has misrepresented the "waning" immunity issue...its all relative.
However yes, like in many infections adaptive immunity does develop in individuals with previous infection, depending on the level of infection they had, so the vaccine just provides that additional boost. Its easy, free and safe so why the resistance?
ok...I keep hearing this % of population issue. Fine...600+K people dead are no big deal....I get it...that is acceptable numbers for you and others. Got it.
Unfortunately I don't accept that when 200+K likely could have been saved if vaccine acceptance had not been challenged by certain media and politicians driving down the rate of vaccination. I go to work every day working on new therapeutics for everything from oncology to autoimmune disease...many target populations of these therapeutics are for those with unmet clinical need with annual death rates far below what we have seen with Covid in under 2 years. However those people matter and their lives matter. If we can treat pediatric AML and avoid another child dying from that disease it is worth the effort.
This country has become hollow to the lives of their fellow Americans. They would rather tout their individual freedoms without any regard for the impact to the larger population. Its screwed up and not how I was raised.
My time on this topic is done here. I sincerely do hope everyone on this board is spared the loss of a friend or family member to this virus. Many will never experience infection. Many may experience asymptomatic infection without even knowing it...hopefully not transmitting to anyone who is not so fortunate.
I have watched staff members lose unvaccinated family members...I have extended family in the hospital now with it.
None of this is personal with any members on this board...my statements and debate are born out of concern and facts as I know them as a scientist and cellular immunologist.
Take care...be safe....go Titans.
I give you a cheers because of that last statement.
Fully agree regarding the topic that discussion without making any of this personal is necessary.
Your Opening has some subjective discussion though. I know it was a random number but you threw out 200k “likely could have been saved”. How did yo come up with this number? Was this really just random or based off something else?
Second, of those 600K a couple what if comparisons can be thrown out just the same.
1) pretend covid didn’t exist, based on our average deaths every year, does anyone know what the actual difference has been? It’s not that I don’t care, but I can’t pretend that many of these lives were going to be lossy regardless, it’s only how they’re reported.
2) Covid itself is not an isolated issue. Many of the decisions regarding covid as a whole being made have other ramifications not directly linked to covid. Suicide as an example was already on the rise. Continued, indefinite, social isolation only exacerbated that problem. Financial issues for individuals are reaching all time highs. Children learning social skills are at extreme lows. People fearing for the job has additional affects at home or at work.
At some point, my particular argument from the rip, is that these covid decisions, despite potential lives saved, did not outweigh the problems increased by not just continuing as normal with a new disease out there.
Continuing as normal didn’t have to change anything in regards to vaccine creation and distribution.
For hospitalization issues being reported, there have on multiple occasions been additional national Guard/military assistance provided, but local governments keep telling them to pack up. If it’s necessary still, then its necessary.
Who said it we are ok with people dying? I was making a statistical comparison between 2 things you brought up.
Me pointing out a statistic doesn’t mean I’m ok with said statistic. Stop regurgitating CNN. “You’re ok with 600k people dead” no, I wish no one ever died but that’s not possible.
I think we would all wish good health on everyone’s family and friends.
Remember not too long ago the slogan “my body, my choice”? What happened to that?
One of the biggest problems is the modern Trump supporter sect get 100% of their “news” from memes (see above), conspiracy theorist forums, Russian and Chinese propaganda on social media and radicalized right wing millionaire politicians. They’ve been trained to ignore experts in every field, exchanging fact for sensationalist Youtube videos and Twitter posts. I literally just had a friend tell me over and over that 24,000+ people have died from the vaccine in the past two months, but couldn’t provide a shred of evidence to back it up except a Twitter post and a mention on some weird right wing anti-vax website. When I questioned him why thousands of doctors and scientists around the world would recommend a vaccine if it was actually killing people, he stopped messaging with me.
No amount of facts will ever change his mind.
No amount of facts will ever change his mind.
Cheers for the post and link.
While I see you are posting that overall death rate is absolutely increased, my comment was specifically dealing with a response to:
“Unfortunately I don't accept that when 200+K likely could have been saved if vaccine acceptance had not been challenged by certain media and politicians driving down the rate of vaccination.”
The additional context helps my question a bit more. (Legit talking, not trying to be a d1ck. My fault for not adding the context in my question).
The overall death increase is clear in 2020 and a clear drop since 2021 started.
The vaccine started release in late 2020 (maybe earliest were Nov-ish).
So the overall death count can’t be attributed to vaccine challenges. Only since the vaccine has been released, so I do still think that number is highly excessive in regards to why those deaths are being suggested (vaccine challenge).
I would argue since the vaccine came out, we’re talking maybe 10’s of thousands, but that’s hard to confirm based on vaccine rate throughout dec/Jan. Before the steep drop off.
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