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Not gonna disagree.
So who is the lockdown for?

the people that care enough to take care of themselves, will make every effort.
The people that don’t, won’t.
The people that don't care enough get other people sick by not social distancing.

I put blue lines of tape on the floor and a sign on the door of my store that says, "for the safety of our staff and patients, please stay behind the blue tape and keep a safe distance."

Do you know how many people a day we have to tell to step back? 75% of them.

I had to remove half the chairs in my lobby because people would rather sit 3 inches from one another than stand for a few minutes.

This is all the result of idiocy.
 
The people that don't care enough get other people sick by not social distancing.

I put blue lines of tape on the floor and a sign on the door of my store that says, "for the safety of our staff and patients, please stay behind the blue tape and keep a safe distance."

Do you know how many people a day we have to tell to step back? 75% of them.

I had to remove half the chairs in my lobby because people would rather sit 3 inches from one another than stand for a few minutes.

This is all the result of idiocy.
I think part of the issue you’re addressing is our social construct to an extent.
i know I feel weird stopping at a line (at least when I wasn’t locked down) and talking loudly from there, in public.
It’s natural reaction, not stupidity in some cases.

for the people that don’t care, they’ll always not care so the punishment is really only being pushed on those that do, which in most cases would probably be fine out in public knowing the “guidelines” to keep safe.
I’m sure plenty have zero issue staying at home anyway, but to force people home, I do have issue with.
I really have issue with the BS fines that are somehow being justified.
 
Get used to the idea, that no matter what you do, you are going to be exposed to Covid! That’s a fact! Run and hide, doesn’t matter, Rona already making it’s rounds! It’s nasty if you can’t get away from it, seen it first hand, but I’m living again! Done with burying myself in a home prison. Still not visiting my mother, which I did EVERY day, but I’m not being a prisoner anymore!
 
My guess is that, for a lot of people, the motivation for reopening the country is not to go to Olive Garden. It’s about getting people back to work so we don’t have to magically drop another $2T ($2,000,000,000,000) from the sky to keep the economy from collapsing.

I mean if anything this has shown how awful our social programs are. 30 million people got kicked off their healthcare, during a pandemic. State DOL offices are overwhelmed with claims and some states could likely run out of unemployment funds by summer.

Probably should solve these things. Probably should stop attaching access to healthcare with employment.

People should also be taking better care of themselves.
 
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I mean if anything this has shown how awful our social programs are. 30 million people got kicked off their healthcare, during a pandemic. State DOL offices are overwhelmed with claims and some states could likely run out of unemployment funds by summer.

Probably should solve these things. Probably should stop attaching access to healthcare with employment.

People should also be taking better care of themselves.

It's almost as if our society isn't supposed to operate business as usual with 20% unemployment.

Which is crazy. If the government can't prop up an unemployment rate of at least half, what are we even doing here amirite
 
We aren’t operating business as usual. Systems are broken. Probably should stop pretending we have the best systems and that we don’t need massive overhauls to social welfare systems, manufacturing and healthcare.
I don’t think it’s the right idea to plan government to operate with 20+ % of the population out of work. This is an extremely rare circumstance that requires an individual approach, not wide spread change for scenarios that don’t happen.
The government should be looking for ways to get people back to work, not how to continue supporting the growing unemployment.

of course, you are correct that systems are, maybe not broken, but not as effective as they should be.
 
of course, you are correct that systems are, maybe not broken, but not as effective as they should be.
They're pretty broken, some by design.

Florida's faulty unemployment website was designed to be hard to use

In an explosive story, today Politico reported that the system was designed to fail. Many, among them Republicans, blame Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), who was governor when the $77.9 million website was designed.

According to Politico, Scott wanted to make it harder for people to file to falsely deflate the numbers of people seeking unemployment.


“It’s a shit sandwich, and it was designed that way by Scott,” one advisor to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis reportedly said.

“It wasn’t about saving money. It was about making it harder for people to get benefits or keep benefits so that the unemployment numbers were low to give the governor something to brag about.”
 
Let's stay on topic.
I think how the individual states handling this as it connects to other programs is very much on topic.
unemployment rising is directly related to the COVID outbreak.
FLA opening up (even beaches) will allow the argument for businesses to open back up due to necessity in an effort to keep from unemployment rising further.

I’d argue states less populated like Wyoming or Montana, probably aren’t as worried about it.
 
I think how the individual states handling this as it connects to other programs is very much on topic.
unemployment rising is directly related to the COVID outbreak.
FLA opening up (even beaches) will allow the argument for businesses to open back up due to necessity in an effort to keep from unemployment rising further.

I’d argue states less populated like Wyoming or Montana, probably aren’t as worried about it.
Talking about unemployment isn’t the issue. Discussing political approaches is. Keep anything political in Shoutbox.
 
I heard a doctor on the radio saying the problem with herd immunity is for it to be practical at least 60% of the population would have to have coronavirus.
 
Just some food for thought...

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.

Fast Facts


And we’re concerned with Covid because?
 
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