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What does that say about Vrabel if he has to bring in someone to help out the DC/OC? Why not just hire someone who doesn't need to be held by the hand.
That would be a good question for Vrabel.

I can only speculate that Bowen did/does some things well but Vrabel felt adding an experienced mind might improve his defense.

Schwartz maybe didn’t want all the work involved in being a DC and preferred a limited role.

I doubt Vrabel will ever share his reasoning or Schwart’s responsibilities.
 
I wouldn't cry if there's a switch at OC...but I'm almost 100% sure that Vrabs sees it the way I see it and not a lot of good comes out of changing staff every year.

Hopefully, they'll look at the season and make adjustments and Downing gets better at play calling. The players also have to get better at executing what ever is called too though. No matter who the OC is.
 
I’ve not read anything about the level of Schwartz’s involvement. If you have, please share the source. Otherwise, it’s just speculation.

It is speculation based on observations of how our scheme changed and the areas that our defense improved in… Schwartz was part of the defensive brain trust and thus he must get some credit for the improvement…..I would be all for bringing in an offensive assistant like Schwartz was brought in for the defense….their is no salary cap on coaches and no rules saying you can only have a certain number of coaches so I’m all for having as many people as possible contributing to making the team better….the more different views and ideas on how to attack another team the better
 
Watching the play design and play calling in todays games and I’ve never been so convinced that DOWING was 99% of the problem. Everywhere today average receivers were being schemed open after we saw absolutely none of that with Downings offense. The dude needs to get fired or steal a copy of the Chiefs playbook and LEARN HOW TO PLAY MODERN FOOTBALL!
 
Funny how the defense looked totally different this year then. We constantly ran 4 man fronts and did the same pass rush stunts we did when Fisher was head coach. Even the wide 9. Guess it was just a coincidence that Schwartz is hired and then we start running his defense….

Also funny how we overhauled our defense in the off-season. New pass rushers and new secondary. I’m sure that has nothing to do with it.
 
Watching the play design and play calling in todays games and I’ve never been so convinced that DOWING was 99% of the problem. Everywhere today average receivers were being schemed open after we saw absolutely none of that with Downings offense. The dude needs to get fired or steal a copy of the Chiefs playbook and LEARN HOW TO PLAY MODERN FOOTBALL!

To be fair Tanny had an open TE who had a chance at getting a first down. I wouldn't put 99% of the blame on Downing, but he does deserve a lot of flak. 3 WRs running deep routes when you need 5 yards? Julio not being on the field on crucial downs for some reason? They're both big problems, but Downing could at least get better. Tanny is done.
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To be fair Tanny had an open TE who had a chance at getting a first down. I wouldn't put 99% of the blame on Downing, but he does deserve a lot of flak. 3 WRs running deep routes when you need 5 yards? Julio not being on the field on crucial downs for some reason? They're both big problems, but Downing could at least get better. Tanny is done.
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Titans let a lot of clock run before running that play. They were content with OT. They wanted to make sure the Bengals didn’t get the ball back. We know how that worked out.

Downing is not a great play caller but he’s not as bad as some think. But he does have very little feel for the flow of the game.

Side note: almost every NFL fan base hates their OC. I have family in Buffalo and most Bills fans cannot wait for Daboll to get a HC job because they hate him lol. I think too much emphasis is put on play callers. It comes down to execution most of the time. Although that shotgun pass in the red one after the long Foreman run is a perfect example of a bad play call. It does happen and it can impact the game.
 
Also funny how we overhauled our defense in the off-season. New pass rushers and new secondary. I’m sure that has nothing to do with it.
That has zero to do with the formations and pass rush stunts they used. You would definitely use more stunts to generate pressure if you lacked the talent. So they really should have been trying them before Schwartz got here. They did not. Not ever.
 
If Bowen needed his hand held, just give the job to Schwartz...if Kelly was your 1st choice over Downing last year, bring him in as OC
 
Titans let a lot of clock run before running that play. They were content with OT. They wanted to make sure the Bengals didn’t get the ball back. We know how that worked out.

Downing is not a great play caller but he’s not as bad as some think. But he does have very little feel for the flow of the game.

Side note: almost every NFL fan base hates their OC. I have family in Buffalo and most Bills fans cannot wait for Daboll to get a HC job because they hate him lol. I think too much emphasis is put on play callers. It comes down to execution most of the time. Although that shotgun pass in the red one after the long Foreman run is a perfect example of a bad play call. It does happen and it can impact the game.

If we kicked the PAT and try for 2, that would have worked
 
That has zero to do with the formations and pass rush stunts they used. You would definitely use more stunts to generate pressure if you lacked the talent. So they really should have been trying them before Schwartz got here. They did not. Not ever.

That is not true at all. They were definitely doing stunts last year. Not as effective with Daquon Jones and Finch rushing the passer though.
 
Cincy would have gone for 2. Maybe they don’t get it but I think the story of this game was turnovers and not the XP. Although I don’t understand why we went for it. 8-6 is not really any different than 7-6

No, but 15-6 is a LOT different than 14-6.
 
Well that never happened. Bengals scored 10 unanswered after that TD.

Which means we could have been down 16-8 instead of 16-7 in what was largely a defensive battle..

You can argue that it wasn't a good decision to go for it, but there are clearly benefits to having an extra point.
 
Which means we could have been down 16-8 instead of 16-7 in what was largely a defensive battle..

You can argue that it wasn't a good decision to go for it, but there are clearly benefits to having an extra point.

Well obviously there are benefits to having more points lol

But when we scored it was 6-6. There’s no way to predict what happens after that. Going for 2 doesn’t really benefit us in that moment. That’s all I’m saying.
 
Well obviously there are benefits to having more points lol

But when we scored it was 6-6. There’s no way to predict what happens after that. Going for 2 doesn’t really benefit us in that moment. That’s all I’m saying.

And all I'm saying is that I disagree. LOL.
 
It is speculation based on observations of how our scheme changed and the areas that our defense improved in… Schwartz was part of the defensive brain trust and thus he must get some credit for the improvement…..I would be all for bringing in an offensive assistant like Schwartz was brought in for the defense….their is no salary cap on coaches and no rules saying you can only have a certain number of coaches so I’m all for having as many people as possible contributing to making the team better….the more different views and ideas on how to attack another team the better
No one is saying Schwartz didn't have influence or improve the defense. It is obviously his job and why he was hired. I do think he was part of the reason the defense improved among other factors.

But that doesn't mean he was a second defensive coordinator or somehow had an equal or bigger role than Bowen/Vrabel.

With the success of bringing in Schwartz, I too think bringing in someone to help Downing (assuming Vrabel keeps him) makes total sense.

In this day and age, a coach doesn't even have the be in the same room as the rest of the staff. Send film to a guy like Gary Kubiak (just an example) to breakdown and share his insights, exploit weaknesses he sees, tendencies, etc. can only help.
 
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