He lists them by how HE thinks they will project at the next level. Not at what spot he believes they will be drafted. It's usually one in the same, but every now and then a talented player gets passed on because he doesn't fit a system or there is no need at that spot (or the GM is just bad). Likewise, a less talented player can be taken higher for the opposite reasons. I don't see how that is his fault...
Titans2008 said:
That's his big board. But he also does mockdrafts where he predicts where the players will be drafted. And he's no better than everyone else at that.
His big board that just list the best players regardless of where they will be drafted is pretty solid, but then again it's not like anyone else really has a different belief. Except that Mayock thinks Cutler is the best quarterback.
Visteg...
Who cares about predictions of what team a guy will be drafted by? I only care about our team. Mock draft predictions become more difficult the later you go in the draft. In the case of aaron rodgers you had a guy who was once thought of a the first pick who fell to 24th and nobody predicted that.
The real point is that mel kiper thinks that there are 14 players who are better prospects than cutler. 2 will be off the board when we pick meaning that according to him there will be 12 better players. According to the great blue north there will be 7 better prospects. According to nfl draft countdown there will be 13 better prospects when our pick comes.
Who cares about predictions of what team a guy will be drafted by? I only care about our team. Mock draft predictions become more difficult the later you go in the draft. In the case of aaron rodgers you had a guy who was once thought of a the first pick who fell to 24th and nobody predicted that.
The real point is that mel kiper thinks that there are 14 players who are better prospects than cutler. 2 will be off the board when we pick meaning that according to him there will be 12 better players. According to the great blue north there will be 7 better prospects. According to nfl draft countdown there will be 13 better prospects when our pick comes.
I couldn't care a flying flip where Kiper, Great Blue North, Pro Football Weekly, Joe Bob Billy's Draft Hoedown Express, etc. have the players ranked. The only draft rankings I care about are Reese and Co. They know more than these "experts". Period. Unfortunately you can't run to Kroger and get "Reese's Rankings" or "Fisher's Fantasy Draft Predictions", but needless to say, at #3 the chances that we get someone in the top 3 of thier board is very, very good.
RollTide, again you miss the point. Even if everyone agreed on Kiper's rankings, you don't always draft based BPA. Let's say Matt Leinart was rated the 5th best prospect and he was there with Mario Williams, who was rated #3. Who do you pick in Titans situation? The best rated player or the best player for your team?
Now we don't know how the FO rates players and we don't know what they consider needs either. But they might just pick someone like Cutler, even if he's not the highest rated prospect available, if they feel he's the best quarterback they have a shot at in years without selling the farm in trades to get another one.
Now we don't know how the FO rates players and we don't know what they consider needs either. But they might just pick someone like Cutler, even if he's not the highest rated prospect available, if they feel he's the best quarterback they have a shot at in years without selling the farm in trades to get another one.
Williams would be more tempting IF we had not signed KVB. Hawk might be more tempting IF we had not signed Thornton. We need a QB.
Vol titan......visted
Based on what you just said we have no damn business even discussing these matters. All we can do is speculate based on what others are saying and mel kiper is as close as we can get to having the ear of an nfl gm.
Looking at the history of how reese has drafted does he seem like the type of guy who makes wild decisions? Major reaches? He wouldn't even take moss 15th and he was the most gifted WR prospect ever.
Visted, It makes far more sense to trade up for lienart if he truly is 2nd on our board rather than reach 5, 7 9 spots for cutler just because he is a qB. Of course in the middle of all this is vince young who is still rated higher than cutler than almost every sensible ranking.
You are getting old with this "you miss the point" crap. I understand completely what you are saying. It might be ok to reach a couple of spots for a QB but i'll be damned if we should reach very far when we have a possible julius peppers sitting there.
You are so hyped up on cutler you want to try and bend and shape the scenario to fit us drafting him. Maybe he is not worth drafting that high and mario williams is, or dbrick, or hawk. Cutler sure didn't tear it up in the senior bowl and i read that his accuracy at the combine was mediocre.
Let's wait and see how the QBs do at some of these pro days and workouts.
Based on what you just said we have no damn business even discussing these matters. All we can do is speculate based on what others are saying and mel kiper is as close as we can get to having the ear of an nfl gm.
Looking at the history of how reese has drafted does he seem like the type of guy who makes wild decisions? Major reaches? He wouldn't even take moss 15th and he was the most gifted WR prospect ever.
Visted, It makes far more sense to trade up for lienart if he truly is 2nd on our board rather than reach 5, 7 9 spots for cutler just because he is a qB. Of course in the middle of all this is vince young who is still rated higher than cutler than almost every sensible ranking.
You are getting old with this "you miss the point" crap. I understand completely what you are saying. It might be ok to reach a couple of spots for a QB but i'll be damned if we should reach very far when we have a possible julius peppers sitting there.
You are so hyped up on cutler you want to try and bend and shape the scenario to fit us drafting him. Maybe he is not worth drafting that high and mario williams is, or dbrick, or hawk. Cutler sure didn't tear it up in the senior bowl and i read that his accuracy at the combine was mediocre.
Let's wait and see how the QBs do at some of these pro days and workouts.
I'd love to have another speed rushing end
but I'd rather have a QB
and I think I've lost all care whether it's a guy that already knows the system - or a guy that can make disasters turn into points - or the guy that reminds you of a reckless Brett Favre
the overall view here is that there is far less talent available to us at QB in the 2nd round than there is DE talent
but I'd rather have a QB
and I think I've lost all care whether it's a guy that already knows the system - or a guy that can make disasters turn into points - or the guy that reminds you of a reckless Brett Favre
the overall view here is that there is far less talent available to us at QB in the 2nd round than there is DE talent
and on Cutler ....
once he learns read and recognition properly, he'll be special
once he learns read and recognition properly, he'll be special
What an opportunity..
What a golden opportunity we have drafting 3rd. Aside from 2 players we have our pick of the entire draft but so many want to force feed us this certain player because they happen to like him. I can't think of a bigger mistake.
Assuming bush and lienart are off the board we will have our choice of a terrific OT prospect, an exceptional DE prospect, a safety or a linebacker. You guys don't like kiper but i'll mention him anyway because he now has huff ahead of hawk. But hey what use could we have for a stud safety. Nah. Got to draft cutler hell or high water.:sad2:
What if reese thinks that deangelo williams is going to be another LT? Would drafting him be a greater reach than cutler?
What a golden opportunity we have drafting 3rd. Aside from 2 players we have our pick of the entire draft but so many want to force feed us this certain player because they happen to like him. I can't think of a bigger mistake.
Assuming bush and lienart are off the board we will have our choice of a terrific OT prospect, an exceptional DE prospect, a safety or a linebacker. You guys don't like kiper but i'll mention him anyway because he now has huff ahead of hawk. But hey what use could we have for a stud safety. Nah. Got to draft cutler hell or high water.:sad2:
What if reese thinks that deangelo williams is going to be another LT? Would drafting him be a greater reach than cutler?
Who is force feeding anyone? Who ever we take, I am fine with because again, they know more than us.
Don't get so riled up....
Don't get so riled up....
the moral of the story is that there is nowhere near the talent level @ QB later on than there is in the Top 10 - imo
Puck...
You might be right especially if omar jacobs wasn't available with our 2nd rd pick in that scenario.
But really how much better is cutler as a propsect than jacobs, whitehurst or croyle? Croyle may be the better all around passer with a quicker release and quicker arm. Both are reasonably similar in accuracy and arm strength. Croyle is smaller and that's the difference.
What if we don't want to pay the price to trade up to the 2nd pick for lienart and we don't think young or cutler are 3rd pick material? We may have no choice to be forced to draft a stud OT propsect or a stud DE prospect. How horrible.
We have options here. Maybe the lions really want dbrick or mario and are willing to trade up for them so we use our 9 pick to draft cutler.
You might be right especially if omar jacobs wasn't available with our 2nd rd pick in that scenario.
But really how much better is cutler as a propsect than jacobs, whitehurst or croyle? Croyle may be the better all around passer with a quicker release and quicker arm. Both are reasonably similar in accuracy and arm strength. Croyle is smaller and that's the difference.
What if we don't want to pay the price to trade up to the 2nd pick for lienart and we don't think young or cutler are 3rd pick material? We may have no choice to be forced to draft a stud OT propsect or a stud DE prospect. How horrible.
We have options here. Maybe the lions really want dbrick or mario and are willing to trade up for them so we use our 9 pick to draft cutler.
Croyle isn't in Cutler's or Leinart's league. QB is the most important position on the team and Mac is nearing the end of his career. We are blessed to be picking 3rd in a year where there are 3 solid QB prospects and we have to take advantage of the opportunity. Besides, DE is not a big need nor is LB after signing Thornton. If we sign Hope S might not be a nhuge need either. That would leave us to be able to take advantage of a strong draft at OL in the second round after taking a QB in the first.
I guarantee that all three qb's won't be starters 5 years from now. It's just the way it works. Closing your eyes and picking one or saying "let's just take whoever falls" is never a good strategy.
You have to scout and determine which one(s) can lead your franchise. You then either trade into a spot that allows you to make that pick or take the next best player who you think can help your team the most. If we deem Leinart as the only worthy qb and we can't move into the number 2 spot, we'll just have to wait to see if he falls into our lap. If not, then we go with plan b.
Another thing to think about is that we have a hole at MLB and although Hawk didn't play there full time (I'm not sure if he played it at all), he has the size to do so. Interesting dilemma.
You have to scout and determine which one(s) can lead your franchise. You then either trade into a spot that allows you to make that pick or take the next best player who you think can help your team the most. If we deem Leinart as the only worthy qb and we can't move into the number 2 spot, we'll just have to wait to see if he falls into our lap. If not, then we go with plan b.
Another thing to think about is that we have a hole at MLB and although Hawk didn't play there full time (I'm not sure if he played it at all), he has the size to do so. Interesting dilemma.
i really think that if for some reason we traded down and took like d-brick and then picked up a 2nd and a 3rd we could draft omar jacobs. what do you think. but i still want leinart or young in that order.
Croyle isn't even close to the same level as the top 3 QB's. He is late 2nd or mid round pick.
well, according to your man kiper, cutler is head over heals better than jacobs and croyle.RollTide said:
Now kiper is the man!
When it suits your arguements.
Head over heals? You mean like lienart is head over heals over cutler? Cutler is kiper's third best QB and jacobs and croyle are 4th and 5th. So? Soxcat talks about cutler as if he is somehow equal to lienart which is the problem in the first place.
You guys have some homo erotic thing for cutler? And what the hell happened to vince young? Did he disappear somehow? Cutler! Cutler! The third best QB=third best player right?:sad2:
When it suits your arguements.
Head over heals? You mean like lienart is head over heals over cutler? Cutler is kiper's third best QB and jacobs and croyle are 4th and 5th. So? Soxcat talks about cutler as if he is somehow equal to lienart which is the problem in the first place.
You guys have some homo erotic thing for cutler? And what the hell happened to vince young? Did he disappear somehow? Cutler! Cutler! The third best QB=third best player right?:sad2:
Titans2008 said:
IF we deem Leinart is the ONLY QB of the three then we should try to move up and take him. I'm not sure that is the case. Also, we are drafting #3 so we will have a choice of the two QBs that are left even if Leinart is chosen so it is not like we have to settle for third best. None of these QBs is a sure thing, none of them including Leinart. You might be right, that not all 3 of these guys will be starters 5 years from now but that doesn't mean Leinart will not be the odd man out. Nobody knows. All three of these guys have huge upsides but none of them are without chinks in thier armor.
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