All I'm saying is that I could pull up stats that suggest Michael Vick would be a better running back than LT, but it just isn't true.
I think Brown would be a better running back if he didn't run as upright as he does. A better O line could also make a big difference in the success of the backs.
Titans2008 said:
Eddie George was once the best back in the league and he was run into the ground and never came back. Same thing for Jamal Lewis, and he had the benefit of a good O-Line.
Titans2008 said:
how were RollTides stats skewed?
Lewis played one more game with less yards and a better O-Line.
Gunny said:
EG was never the best running back in the league...
He never ran for 2000 yards in a single season against consistant 8-9 man fronts. All of this while his best qb barely broke the 70 qb rating mark. If you're going to consider 1000 and 900 yard seasons "run into the ground" then tell that to the guy you're defending who claims that constitutes being a "good" running back. In fact, this is the first year that Jamal has averaged less than 4 ypc despite playing on the most consistantly horrible offense in the league. And that was probably due, at least in part, to spending the offseason in a prison.
Titans2008 said:
Bah, some 500 of those yards came in a single game against the Browns. Let's not make it out to be more than it really is. In the remaining games that season he only averaged around 100, which is "normal" for a good runningback.
Titans2008 said:
Regardless if Eddie was the best or not, he was one of the best. And the Titan offense is comparable to the Raven offense during those times. All McNair did was dunk it to Wycheck.
One year Eddie had 403 carries, that is run into the ground.
However my point is that Eddie didnt come back after being run into the ground, and it is possible Jamal Lewis will not. Which is why I think Chris Brown has a better chance of production then Jamal does from now.
We have seen what Chris Brown can achieve and if healthy with a good O-Line i think he can get 1500+ yards.
Eddie was never the best huh? Eddie and Jim Brown are the only backs to rush over 10,000 yards without missing a start to injury. And most people think Jim Brown was the best back that ever played. Trying to diminish EG's production is futile. His Heisman trophy, career rushing numbers, college degree, winning attitude, smile (yeah I said it), and passion to win are both missed by the franchise and proof positive of his H.O.F-type career. Somebody earlier intimated that EG wasn't worn out. I guess Earl Campbell wasn't either. Another poster talked about Eddie averaging a low number of first downs per carry in his career. Think that could come from the conservative style of offense? For about 5 years the whole offense was run eddie right, run eddie left, throw to frank, wash, rinse, repeat...
Despite T.Henry's drug problems, at least he has shown the same kind of production as Eddie, and the same kind of toughness as Eddie. He had 2 years of over 1200 yds rushing, two probowl years. He finished one season on a fractured leg. I sure hope this guy stays with the Titans and gets his game back together.
Despite T.Henry's drug problems, at least he has shown the same kind of production as Eddie, and the same kind of toughness as Eddie. He had 2 years of over 1200 yds rushing, two probowl years. He finished one season on a fractured leg. I sure hope this guy stays with the Titans and gets his game back together.
Titans2008 said:
First of all the issue isn't if Brown is better than Lewis. Last time I checked Lewis was not on the Titan's roster so the argument is ridiculous.
Second, Brown was a good enough player to get over 1500 yards in 2004. The issue wasn't if he was a good enough player, the issue was can he stay healthy.
As stated before why don't you give your advise on how we should correct this poor running attack we have? Just bashing Brown doesn't solve anything.
About Brown's running style...
I see it is being looked upon as some kind of drawback...
I think it is a strenth. I think of Brown as an elusive back.
If he could just shed a tackle or two he can rip into the secondary.
The thing is he needs a larger than average hole to hit.
He is not getting this. That may be a factor that contributes to to the perception that he is ineffective at times.
I see it is being looked upon as some kind of drawback...
I think it is a strenth. I think of Brown as an elusive back.
If he could just shed a tackle or two he can rip into the secondary.
The thing is he needs a larger than average hole to hit.
He is not getting this. That may be a factor that contributes to to the perception that he is ineffective at times.
BigTT......2008
I never said that i think brown is better than lewis but one poster said that brown totally sucked while at the same time talking up lewis and getting all huffy because i mentioned his criminal past. Why 2008 got so mad about the simple mention of lewis as an ex-con? I don't know but he must be the first poster here to actually take up jamal's case on this board. Are you the second?
Admit it, you guys say that brown sucks yet his numbers the last 2 years are actually better than lewis. You had no idea did you?
Note to 2008, sorry i made your home boy jamal look bad in comparison to brownie. The stats don't tell the whole story but they tell most of it. You just need to remember to do your homework first when discussing matters with mr analyst.
I never said that i think brown is better than lewis but one poster said that brown totally sucked while at the same time talking up lewis and getting all huffy because i mentioned his criminal past. Why 2008 got so mad about the simple mention of lewis as an ex-con? I don't know but he must be the first poster here to actually take up jamal's case on this board. Are you the second?
Admit it, you guys say that brown sucks yet his numbers the last 2 years are actually better than lewis. You had no idea did you?
Note to 2008, sorry i made your home boy jamal look bad in comparison to brownie. The stats don't tell the whole story but they tell most of it. You just need to remember to do your homework first when discussing matters with mr analyst.
Mad about eddie...
I guess it depends on someones definition of best. Eddie was never close to being the best back in football on any given year. In his prime years only finished higher than 5th in the nfl in rushing once, in 2000(3rd). That's one reason he won't be in the hall because there were many contemporaries of his who were better, or lasted longer.
I was the one who put up that first down comparison not to bash eddie at all but oi illustrate that brown is not as different as they were saying. I don't know how eddie stacks up in that area to other comtemporary backs like martin, bettis or faulk but anyone can go to a number of web-sites and find out. It's just that most posters here are too lazy for that.
Travis henry is eddie like? Maybe stylistically but remember that henry had hardly played at all and had that 4 week suspension and still missed 2 games with injury this year. Durability has not been his strong suit either.
I guess it depends on someones definition of best. Eddie was never close to being the best back in football on any given year. In his prime years only finished higher than 5th in the nfl in rushing once, in 2000(3rd). That's one reason he won't be in the hall because there were many contemporaries of his who were better, or lasted longer.
I was the one who put up that first down comparison not to bash eddie at all but oi illustrate that brown is not as different as they were saying. I don't know how eddie stacks up in that area to other comtemporary backs like martin, bettis or faulk but anyone can go to a number of web-sites and find out. It's just that most posters here are too lazy for that.
Travis henry is eddie like? Maybe stylistically but remember that henry had hardly played at all and had that 4 week suspension and still missed 2 games with injury this year. Durability has not been his strong suit either.
Soxcat said:
Ummm, yea.... I just mentioned Jamal Lewis for no reason. It's not like that would indicate that I think we should sign him or anything....
RollTide said:
Ummm, you dismissed signing Lewis for only one reason. An incident that happened while he was in college. On top of that, all he did was make a phone call. It's not like he was actually dealing. It doesn't make sense. I guess pointing out why that's dumb equals "getting huffy" lol. Omgosh stop getting so huffy just cuz I said Brown isn't a good starter in the league.
Homework lol. The only reason Lewis would be up for FA is a monumental dropoff. The difference is that the last two seasons for Lewis have been considered "monumental" because he was so great before that. Brown's last two seasons have been par for the course for him.
RollTide said:
Not to mention, I think he only broke the 4 ypc mark once. I don't know of anyone in the hall with a career average under 4 ypc off the top of my head. When considering the hof though, you can't dismiss his raw numbers that put him in some elite company.
Titans2008 said:
So thats your solution to our RB situation. Sign Lewis. Sure if we can sign Lewis to a "reasonable" deal I would be all for it. I'm not sure that is going to happen. Secondly, even if we dismiss the Lewis incident with the law you are talking about a guy who will be in his 7th year, 28 years old when the season starts and who has had two subpar years the last two years. Signing him for a high salary and bonus would be somewhat of a risk and we could endup with the next EG who is getting overpaid in the last less productive years of his career. Lewis could end up not being a big upgrade from Henry who we could sign for a much lower deal. Either way I'm not sure Lewis will be in our price range.
Look, I like Henry. I don't trust Brown. I, and many others of us, was spoiled by Eddie. I wish Henry luck, and Brown too for that matter. But my original point was that the problem here is the oline. If you disagree, and think the oline is not the problem with the running game, then what is? I've had a lot of fun trying to stir the pot on the how good was Eddie debate, but by doing so I got off point.
The people that think that Lewis would be better for us than any of our backs are nuts I.M.O. Lewis is a cancer who only cares about himself. He tanked it at U.T. and at Baltimore. I would rather have J Payton (I just don't want to have to start him). Jamal has had some productive seasons, no denying that. But his monster rushing year didn't do him a lot of good did it? They still lost to us in the playoffs that year. And Eddie had a better game. Eddie had plenty of good games. My favorite playoff game of his was against the colts in 99.
The people that think that Lewis would be better for us than any of our backs are nuts I.M.O. Lewis is a cancer who only cares about himself. He tanked it at U.T. and at Baltimore. I would rather have J Payton (I just don't want to have to start him). Jamal has had some productive seasons, no denying that. But his monster rushing year didn't do him a lot of good did it? They still lost to us in the playoffs that year. And Eddie had a better game. Eddie had plenty of good games. My favorite playoff game of his was against the colts in 99.
Chris Brown had over 1500 yards in a season? In 2004? Did he return kicks? Return an interception? Was that with his passing stats figured in?
1500 yard seasons get you to the probowl. I wish Chris Brown could get 1500 yards in a season. This next season. But I don't believe it.
1500 yard seasons get you to the probowl. I wish Chris Brown could get 1500 yards in a season. This next season. But I don't believe it.
Look, I like Henry. I don't trust Brown????
Funny, it was henry who had a 4 week vacation due to his drug problem. It's henry who hasn't even dented the 400 yard mark the last 2 seasons. It's henry who has averaged just 3.6 yard a carry the last 2 seasons when he has played. I guess if you spend most time on your butt on the bench we can say you are durable and consistent but that hasn't been true either since henry missed 2 games this season due to a leg injury. Nobody cares because we sucked so bad but what if we really needed him then? But it is henry you like and brown you don't trust.
2008 said that jamal just made a phone call. Probably the same thing john gotti said while he was in federal prison.
Funny, it was henry who had a 4 week vacation due to his drug problem. It's henry who hasn't even dented the 400 yard mark the last 2 seasons. It's henry who has averaged just 3.6 yard a carry the last 2 seasons when he has played. I guess if you spend most time on your butt on the bench we can say you are durable and consistent but that hasn't been true either since henry missed 2 games this season due to a leg injury. Nobody cares because we sucked so bad but what if we really needed him then? But it is henry you like and brown you don't trust.
2008 said that jamal just made a phone call. Probably the same thing john gotti said while he was in federal prison.
I find it hard to believe that the Titans will spend big money on a FA RB. It's much more likely that they draft one. There's just too much risk with an expensive vet.
One of the biggest problems in the running game is the inability to consistently pick up the necessary yardage in short yardage situations. I think that is where the emphasis will be and that leaves out the classic third down back.
And if a new RB is going to play and contribute in 2006, then he going to have to be able to pass block from day 1.
One of the biggest problems in the running game is the inability to consistently pick up the necessary yardage in short yardage situations. I think that is where the emphasis will be and that leaves out the classic third down back.
And if a new RB is going to play and contribute in 2006, then he going to have to be able to pass block from day 1.
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