The problem I have always had with Henry is his limitations in half the offense. He doesn't pass protect well. He doesn't catch the ball well. It's REALLY hard to build your offense around a guy who is that limited.
9 minutes left in the game and down a couple scores against the Colts and Henry is on the sideline because he just isn't the best option at RB in that situation. Your best offensive player should not be on the sideline when it's desperation time, yet here we are.
Henry is really good at his game, but it hamstrings the offense sometimes. When the defense is as bad as it is he's even less effective.
Not to say that it's entirely incorrect, but I don't agree.
Henry is talented and can catch and protect just fine. He's just not being used to the best of his abilities. That's on Arthur, not Henry.
I get it, this loss was a tough pill to swallow, but let's not forget that without Henry this team is likely 3-6 instead of 6-3. It's not Henry's fault that every single time he's on the field it's a run up the middle. In fact it's goddam amazing he's as successful as he is when the defense knows what's coming every time he's on the field.
Blame that on the coaching staff. I think we should be more concerned about the fact that we don't have a F-ing DC, but that's just my opinion.
Until Defense and STs starts getting their heads out of their asses, I withhold any complaints toward Arthur.
Our offense is putting up points.
Our offense is putting up points.
Excellent post Bonky
Henry has improved in PP and catching, if hes not that's what training camp and practices are for.. surely we didnt extend him to just run up the middle? Feed the beast! You can tell when Henry leaves the field hes pissed.
It's not all on Arthur, the defense sucks, but Henry needs to get going and when he does they pull him.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. In Derrick Henry's entire football career, from high school, college, and NFL, he has 147 receptions. 11 years of football. He had 17 receptions in college. You telling me no one has known how to get Derrick Henry involved in the passing game?
That's what he does best. It's stretch play after stretch play because that's his game. Let him get his momentum going and use his stiff arm on smaller defenders on the perimeter or make a single cut back inside.
He's improved in pass pro, for sure. He used to be a downright liability. Now he's just average. He's still not the best option to do it. He looks straight up uncomfortable catching anything passed the line of scrimmage.
He's damn good at his thing. His thing requires the game script to break his way too much though. A bad defense makes him less effective.
Both views can be, and are right IMO.
Henry is not without his limitations. No one can say he is the complete back.
The coaches can also do a better job at developing him and tweaking the offence so that he can be out there when we're behind by 2 or more possessions.
Henry is not without his limitations. No one can say he is the complete back.
The coaches can also do a better job at developing him and tweaking the offence so that he can be out there when we're behind by 2 or more possessions.
Idk I feel like maybe I’m watching different games. Titans have really struggled to sustain drives lately. Had 2 big drives in this one and we went 3 & out on one and couldn’t gain a yard 2 plays in a row on the other.
Seems like the drives go haywire once we take Henry out. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s what I’m seeing.
My two biggest gripes about the offense from Thursday were:
1. Not enough AJ Brown.
2. That fake to Blazingame on 3rd and 1. How many times have we given the ball to the fullback this season? Zero? It's definitely less than 2. What defense is going to bite on that when it isn't Derrick Henry being faked to?
That's honestly it. To say Arthur is a problem is asinine though. I think he's done a great job this season.
1. Not enough AJ Brown.
2. That fake to Blazingame on 3rd and 1. How many times have we given the ball to the fullback this season? Zero? It's definitely less than 2. What defense is going to bite on that when it isn't Derrick Henry being faked to?
That's honestly it. To say Arthur is a problem is asinine though. I think he's done a great job this season.
We were 5-0, now 6-3. Not saying people should be fired, but we damn sure are going in the wrong direction.
I just don’t understand how the Titans are so incapable of running a screen. Like every single time it gets blown up in the back field.
AJ Brown 48 targets on the year (leads the team) and he missed time due to injury.
Firkser has 31 targets on the season and has played every game.
But we don’t throw to RB’s when he’s out of the game. So it’s not like his lack of pass catching is restricting the offense. It’s just not something we do.
Ya i agree 100%, i already said this in another thread i think. He's one of the most talented players in the league, a true elite wr 1. And we give him usually 7 ish targets a game. Has to be way higher
Yeah. That's great. I'm talking about Thursday. That's why I said, "the biggest problem from Thursday..."
4 targets for Brown. 3 for Firkser.
But if we're going to talk about Firker's usage in general, basically 1/3 of Frikser's targets have come in the last two games without Humphries. He's not a Humphries substitute. We need to stop treating him like one. Those targets need to go to someone with more ability, especially the third down targets.
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How is he not a Hump substitute? His ability is to make catches on 3rd down. That’s what he’s best at. He’s super reliable.
Whens the last time Firkser dropped 2 passes in a game?
Yes!
Everybody else drop the grump and quit trying to pin it on my man Firkser. He knows his routes, reads the coverage and has good hands. He's not a freak athlete but DEFINITELY a great role player. He's not the problem and he's not "stealing" targets. Hump is out, AJB is getting 2x coverage, Tannehill is getting PRESSURED every drop back b/c our OL is weak with injury and poor GMing (draft, FA Conklin gone).
Going to be tough for any team to win with backup OL playing significant time.
But Tannehill has been sacked 4.1% of the time this season. 9th lowest rate this season.
Henry had some really short carries Thursday night that led to him being taken out on obvious passing downs. Not having Humphries in those situations hurts. And, I think, Jonnu isn't being utilized as often because the TEs are having to help out the OTs.
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