Absolutely correct! Need not say more.
Give me a choice between Eddie and CJ- easy decision. #27 all day
Pretty much what Eddie started doing after 2000, dancing around behind the LOS instead of hitting the hole.
CJ2K's rookie year was better than Eddie ever was in his career.
I think Eddie started physically breaking down after the 2000 season more so than he started dancing. Once the injuries piled up, he was never able to hit the hole as once did. It's why his ypc never hit 3.5 a season again.
I've brought this up before, but I think the Titans/Oilers have the best Mount Rushmore of RBs.
Campbell, George, Johnson, Henry
Campbell, George, Johnson, Henry
It was just frustrating to watch a broken down Eddie get the Fisher Favorite treatment, when Robert Holcomb, Skip Hicks, and Chris Brown all should have taken his carries.
For the record, I'm not a Eddie hater, he was a good player, played with a lot of heart and toughness, and was never a diva. But he is vastly overrated on this board, he was never an elite or even a very good player. He was simply just another good running back and nothing special.
Not only is that not statistically true (apx 1100 yards and 8 TD? for CJ's rookie year)
But as I said, while Henry was struggling, he didn't call CJ2K. There's a reason why EG STILL does Titans hype videos and speeches. Never heard of CJ doing anything like that even while part of the team.
Off topic how about that game by Kamara today? 6 tds.
Give CJ2K 400 carries and let's see if he "only" gets 1100 yards and 8 TD's lol. EG was a better hype man, close to Henry's size, and a more iconic franchise figure. CJ2K was quiet and had anxiety, why would Henry call CJ over Eddie lol.
You're right, CJ couldn't handle that kind of work load and as pointed out, probably part of the reason EG broke down so quickly.
CJ didn't break down, he just quit after he got paid.
We can project all we want about "if he had 400 carries" but he didn't. Still an excellent rookie season, just factually incorrect that it was better than every season EG had.
CJ2K had a 4 season career, 1 of which was among the greatest seasons a RB ever had, yardage wise.
For comparison to how this kind of stuff can happen, Matt Stafford is currently part of the rare group with 5K passing, as is Famous Jameis. Point being that even not "great" players can have a "great" season.
EG was more valuable and better than CJ2K.
Per your post, if this doesn't change your mind, nothing will, your mind is actually made up and no one can change your mind.
CJ led the league in carries the next year, and was 6th in carries the following year after that. Eddie was overworked, but CJ definitely got his workload too...
Even during Eddie's "best" season, he wasn't even a top 5 running back.
Not being a "top 5 RB" has more to do with other RB than EG.
You're comparing carries against the other RB in the same year, not vs. each other. CJ2K career high 358 good enough for #3 EG. 300+ carry seasons - EG 8, CJ2K 2. 1200+ yards, 5-4 EG. 1K+ - 7-6 EG. 10+ TD 2-2. EG was a work horse to a level CJ2K could never be.
That said, I assure you, that you will never convince me that CJ2K was better than EG or ever had the team value of EG and I will never convince you otherwise either. It's a subjective argument and I've no issue with your stance (outside being wrong lol).
Merry Xmas bro. It's nice to have an argument about really good players from this franchise at at least one position. If we start arguing WR, then we're mudslinging about the trash we've historically had.
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Sorry @GeronimoJackson I'm a stat guy so I kept digging. Here's some more side by side comparison's between EG/CJ2K
EG
96' - 335 1368 8 // #4 in Att, #5 in yds // LL had 353 carries
97' - 357 1399 6 // #3 in Att, #5 in yds // LL had 375 carries
98' - 348 1294 5 // #4 in att, #7 in yds // LL had 410 carries
99' - 320 1304 9 // #6 in att, #6 in yds // LL had 369 carries
00' - 403 1509 14 // #1 in att, #3 in yds // LL 403 carries
01' - 315 939 5 // #6 in att, #17 in yds // LL had 356 carries
02' - 343 1165 12 // #3 in att, #14 in yds // LL had 383 carries
03' - 312 1031 5 // #12 in att, #16 in yds // LL had 392 carries
CJ2K
08' - 251 1208 9 // #12 in att, #8 in yds // LL had 376 carries
09' - 358 2006 14 // #1 in att, #1 in yds // LL 358 carries
10' - 316 1364 11 // #6 in att, #4 in yds // LL had 334 carries
11' - 262 1047 4 // #8 in att, #14 in yds // LL had 343 carries
12' - 276 1243 6 // #10 in att, #9 in yds // LL had 351 carries
13' - 279 1077 6 // #6 in att, #11 in yds // LL had 314 carries
Cj2K career high is 358, more than 40 carries higher than his #2 season which is 4 carries above EG's lowest total as a Titan.
That 358 would rank #3 against the league 7/8x throughout EG's career, 2x would lead the league.
EG career low is 312 as a Titan. That would be #5 in 5/6 seasons of CJ2K's career. His carries by year beat the LL of CJ2K's seasons respectively as such, 1, 2, 5, 4, 2, and 7x)
I point this out because the amount of use between EG to CJ2K is not close and clearly the league also dropped the number of carries on their lead back throughout CJ2K's career (smartly I might add considering the wear and tear of a guy like EG) He had just shy of 1000 more carries in only 33 more games.
Couple other notes towards EG's HoF worthiness:
in 8 years as a Titan, never missed a start.
His 130 consecutive games is #2 for all RB behind only Walter Payton (170)
He is only 1/2 RB to reach 10K without missing a start (Jim Brown)
10K no HoF currently: * = not eligible yet
Frank Gore*
Adrian Peterson*
Edgerrin James
Fred Taylor
Steven Jackson*
Corey Dillon
Leshaun McCoy
Warrick Dunn
Ricky Watters
Jamal Lewis
Thomas Jones
Tiki Barber
Marshawn Lynch*
Ricky Williams
I would agree some of those names deserve it more than EG but many all played in the same era as EG explaining what a difficult time it is for RB of his time to get in.
EG
96' - 335 1368 8 // #4 in Att, #5 in yds // LL had 353 carries
97' - 357 1399 6 // #3 in Att, #5 in yds // LL had 375 carries
98' - 348 1294 5 // #4 in att, #7 in yds // LL had 410 carries
99' - 320 1304 9 // #6 in att, #6 in yds // LL had 369 carries
00' - 403 1509 14 // #1 in att, #3 in yds // LL 403 carries
01' - 315 939 5 // #6 in att, #17 in yds // LL had 356 carries
02' - 343 1165 12 // #3 in att, #14 in yds // LL had 383 carries
03' - 312 1031 5 // #12 in att, #16 in yds // LL had 392 carries
CJ2K
08' - 251 1208 9 // #12 in att, #8 in yds // LL had 376 carries
09' - 358 2006 14 // #1 in att, #1 in yds // LL 358 carries
10' - 316 1364 11 // #6 in att, #4 in yds // LL had 334 carries
11' - 262 1047 4 // #8 in att, #14 in yds // LL had 343 carries
12' - 276 1243 6 // #10 in att, #9 in yds // LL had 351 carries
13' - 279 1077 6 // #6 in att, #11 in yds // LL had 314 carries
Cj2K career high is 358, more than 40 carries higher than his #2 season which is 4 carries above EG's lowest total as a Titan.
That 358 would rank #3 against the league 7/8x throughout EG's career, 2x would lead the league.
EG career low is 312 as a Titan. That would be #5 in 5/6 seasons of CJ2K's career. His carries by year beat the LL of CJ2K's seasons respectively as such, 1, 2, 5, 4, 2, and 7x)
I point this out because the amount of use between EG to CJ2K is not close and clearly the league also dropped the number of carries on their lead back throughout CJ2K's career (smartly I might add considering the wear and tear of a guy like EG) He had just shy of 1000 more carries in only 33 more games.
Couple other notes towards EG's HoF worthiness:
in 8 years as a Titan, never missed a start.
His 130 consecutive games is #2 for all RB behind only Walter Payton (170)
He is only 1/2 RB to reach 10K without missing a start (Jim Brown)
10K no HoF currently: * = not eligible yet
Frank Gore*
Adrian Peterson*
Edgerrin James
Fred Taylor
Steven Jackson*
Corey Dillon
Leshaun McCoy
Warrick Dunn
Ricky Watters
Jamal Lewis
Thomas Jones
Tiki Barber
Marshawn Lynch*
Ricky Williams
I would agree some of those names deserve it more than EG but many all played in the same era as EG explaining what a difficult time it is for RB of his time to get in.
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Had a little time (ok, a lot) and have this list from the other teams based on what they did for THAT team, not a career (for example, you won't see a Herschal Walker due to his split stats across both Dal and Min/Phil)
ARZ - Ottis Anderson/ Stump Mitchell/ Johnny Roeland/ John David Crowe
ATL - Gerald Riggs/ M. Turner/ William Andrews/ Jamal Anderson (Dunn a close #5)
Balt - J. Lewis/ Rice/ McGahee/ Lamar Jackson (if RB only Priest Holmes)
Buf - T. Thomas/ OJ/ Fred Jackson/ Joe Cribbs
Car - J. Stewart/ D. Williams/ Cam Newton/ D. Foster (McCaffrey if RB only)
Chi - Payton/ Forte/ Neal Anderson/ Rick Casseres (Gale Sayers w/ a longer career)
Cin - Dillon/ James Brooks/ Rudi Johnson/ Pete Johnson
Cle - Jim Brown/ Leroy Kelly/ Mike Pruitt/ Kevin Mack
Dal - Emmitt/ Dorsett/ Elliott/ Don Perkins
Den - TD/ Floyd Little/ Sammy Winder/ Otis Armstrong or Mike Anderson (close)
Det - Barry/ Billy Sims/ Dexter Bussey/ Nick Pietrosante
GB - Ahman Green/ Jim Taylor/ John Brockington/ Clarke Hinkle or Paul Hornung
Hou - Arian Foster/ Dominick Williams/ Lamar Miller/ Watson (Alfred blue or Steve Slaton if no QB)
Ind - Edge/ Faulk/ Dickerson/ Lenny Moore (also a tough Lydell Mitchell)
Jax - Fragile Fred/ MJD/ James Stewart/ Fournette
KC - Charles/ Priest Holmes/ Larry Johnson/ Okoye (marcus Allen is #5)
LV Rai - Allen/ Mark Van Eeghan/ Clem Daniels/ Pete Banaszak
LAC - Tomlinson/ Paul Lowe/ M. Gordon/ Chuck Muncie (M Butts close)
LAR - Dickerson/ Faulk/ Steven Jackson/ Gurley
Mia - Csonka/ Ricky Williams/ Ronnie Brown/ Mercury Morris
Min - AP/ Robert Smith/ Chuck Foreman/ Bill Brown
NE - Sam Cunningham/ Jim Nance/ Tony Collins/ Curtis Martin
NO - Mcallister/ Ingram/ Dalton Hilliard/ Kamara
NYG - Tiki/ Rodney Hampton/ Joe Morris/ Brandon Jacobs
NYJ - Freeman McNeil/ Curtis Martin/ Emerson boozer/ Johnny Hector
Phi - McCoy/ Wilber Montgomery/ Steve Van Buren/ Westbrook
Pit - Franco Harris/ Bettis/ L Bell/ Willie Parker
SF - Gore/ Roger Craig/ Joe Perry/ Ken Willard
Sea - Alexander/ Curt Warner/ Chris Warren/ Lynch
TB - Alstott/ James Wilder/ Dunn/ Doug Martin
Ten - Campbell/ EG/ CJ2K/ Henry (derrick fools)
Wash - John Riggins/ Portis/ Stephen Davis/ Larry Brown
A couple arguments could be made for a better top 4 than Ten but they are definitely among the top:
Ind, Sea, Phi, KC
Many of those players go back a long way and it gets difficult to compare eras. I built that list strictly off their production statistics while on that specific team.
a couple QB's would make the list, partly due to short history.
Eric Dickerson, Marshall Faulk make 2 teams. Marcus Allen, Warrick Dunn, and Priest Holmes are debatably the #5 guy for a second team.
Ind, Sea, Phi, KC
Many of those players go back a long way and it gets difficult to compare eras. I built that list strictly off their production statistics while on that specific team.
a couple QB's would make the list, partly due to short history.
Eric Dickerson, Marshall Faulk make 2 teams. Marcus Allen, Warrick Dunn, and Priest Holmes are debatably the #5 guy for a second team.
I feel like anybody picking EG over CJ is picking the 99 Titans over then 09 Titans.
I know EG was playing through that toe injury, but his 01 season is brutal:
16 Games (all starts)
315 attempts
939 yards
3.0 ypc (rounded up from 2.98)
5 TD
37 rec
279 yards
And as his career demonstrates, this is the season EG broke down and he never truly regained his old form. Like I implied earlier in the thread, EG's seasons from 01-04 really hurt his HOF chances as he was a shell of what he once was at that point.
You can argue his HOF worthiness on both sides of the issue and find ample evidence to support your position. It really comes down to what a particular votes values.
Eddie was a leader and a warrior who battled injures and did not miss a start while he was a Titan. He carried the load, playing under a coach who didn't start understanding the value of the forward pass and the talent of McNair until 2003. EG was basically the offense for a number of years with an occasional McNair rush. You knew when EG got the ball he wasnt likely to lose yards and he would punish a defense.
At the same time, while he got to 10K rushing, he only averaged 3.6 yards a carry in his career and only made it over 4.0 ypc in a season twice (96 and 99 at 4.1 both years). His yardage will be attributed to his sheer number of carries throughout his career as a Titan (never getting below 300 in a single season). He has no superbowl ring and primarily played for a team with no national following or recognition as well.
16 Games (all starts)
315 attempts
939 yards
3.0 ypc (rounded up from 2.98)
5 TD
37 rec
279 yards
And as his career demonstrates, this is the season EG broke down and he never truly regained his old form. Like I implied earlier in the thread, EG's seasons from 01-04 really hurt his HOF chances as he was a shell of what he once was at that point.
You can argue his HOF worthiness on both sides of the issue and find ample evidence to support your position. It really comes down to what a particular votes values.
Eddie was a leader and a warrior who battled injures and did not miss a start while he was a Titan. He carried the load, playing under a coach who didn't start understanding the value of the forward pass and the talent of McNair until 2003. EG was basically the offense for a number of years with an occasional McNair rush. You knew when EG got the ball he wasnt likely to lose yards and he would punish a defense.
At the same time, while he got to 10K rushing, he only averaged 3.6 yards a carry in his career and only made it over 4.0 ypc in a season twice (96 and 99 at 4.1 both years). His yardage will be attributed to his sheer number of carries throughout his career as a Titan (never getting below 300 in a single season). He has no superbowl ring and primarily played for a team with no national following or recognition as well.
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The 99' Titans were better than the 09' Titans as a team. So I guess that would make sense.
Agree completely. If the argument is "is he a HoF?"
In my case (the reason for the stats) is to prove he was better than CJ2K.
I don't think EG is a HoF (at 1 time I did but 10K isn't what it used to be but will be again very shortly). At least he has some other competition from his era that are probably more deserving and should get in first.
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