Actually Conklin was the main guy they should have kept especially since we tried to replace him with a blown 1st round pick. Conklin's contract was not that outrageous and locking him up solves a host of problems we have now. 1. we still could use an upgrade at RT and 2. the 1st round pick we used on that POS RT last year could have been a real contributor this year at another position.
Conklin is on $14m a year. We already had Lewan on $16 and Saffold on $12m.
Should we have picked up the 5th year option, in hindsight sure.
But signing him beyond that would have crippled us elsewhere, we would have had way too much capped tied up in the OL.
agreed... but as always Titans put a price on Conklins worth and let him walk
same with Davis...
they do it constantly. Sadly they are almost always correct though
Spend that money on Conklin and not even an attempt is made to fix the pass rush last year.
I don’t even think it’s hindsight to say that was the wrong choice, I still think it was the right choice. Kelly played well and even though the pick and FA pass rushers back fires, they still had the money to try again this year.
I would have liked to keep Conklin instead of Clowney and Beasley but that's hindsight
Henry had 2000 yds without Conklin...The FO feels the OL has been addressed with Lamm
DE was addressed this year with Autry and Dupree
As long as we don't go RT at 22 I'm good
Henry had 2000 yds without Conklin...The FO feels the OL has been addressed with Lamm
DE was addressed this year with Autry and Dupree
As long as we don't go RT at 22 I'm good
After everything with Wilson I’d hope they wouldn’t go RT but it would be the Titan way to draft another one in the 1st lol
There should good ones in round 3...RT at 22 would be a mistake...needs to be CB, WR or DL (no particular order)
I'm thinking they feel Lamm can contribute
So you seriously, in hindsight, dare to argue we could have kept Conklin instead of spending a ton of money on Clowney and Beasley? Additionally, that Isiah Wilson pick is certainly NOT a RT. It is also possible we could have gone for a different edge player to help there and literally ANYONE besides Clowney or Beasley (close to a waste $23 mil) would have been a better option. Also add in that we probably don't extend Kelly so save a few mil there.
So, we draft anyone besides Wilson and in fact have no need of drafting a RT anytime early in the draft, can still find some help at edge that isn't Clowney or Beasley and thus whoever that pick is, besides Wilson, is on the team NOW and a potential contributor for the next 4 years.
Leonard Floyd by the way had 10.5 sacks and cost the Bears $10 mil. The error (screw up) was not keeping Conklin (which resulted in the hideous pick of Wilson) AND picking worthless FAs to help the pass rush at the tune of $23 mil. Certainly choosing Gross Matos in the 1st instead of Wilson might not solve our pass rush dilemma in 2020 but still gives us a developmental pass rushers we would have on the team now.
Thats kind of like saying we shouldnt have fired Wisenhunt because Mularkey wasnt much better. Conklin didnt fit at that particular time, just came off an injury and wasnt playing so well. We decided to move on. Just because Wilson is a certified headcase doesnt mean we should have necessarily kept Conklin. He wanted a lot of money at the time and we had no idea what he could bring to the table post-injury.
I disagree with some of your analysis.
Almost zero negative talk regarding Beasley before the season and overwhelming excitement regarding clowney.
The fact they both failed was a complete surprise and disappointment to almost everyone.
Looking forward and why I don’t think I would change what happened is the current money situation.
If we had Conklin right now, who else did we just lose to FA this year? Would Jones have been able to get re-signed? Probably not just like this year anyway so would Autry get signed now?
I can assume Dupree wouldn’t be here, the draft pick at 29 would have that spot (probably).
Regardless of the various scenarios in difference with or without Conklin, the OL still produced a 2K back and a limited hit/sacked QB for the season. I’m sure we all agree Conklin is better than Kelley, but how much positive increase on what was already a good season overall, could they have been improved?
no team can re-sign everyone. Good players have to be let go. JRob made a good decision on which good player had to be allowed to hit FA as Conklin was all but not missed last year at all.
Again, Clowney and Beasley cost us $23 mil for both of them (virtually zero we got out of them). So keep Conklin, maybe still sign a guy like Clowney and save the darn 1st round pick for whoever. Conklin was a pro-bowl player for Cleveland. We signed Kelly for $21 mil, three years which we don't do if we keep Conklin. Cutting Kelly cost us about $4 mil of dead money and we also signed Lamm at $3 mil a year. So we have $7 mil on the CAP right now at RT.
And AGAIN, we have a 1st round pick we can use on another position who could contribute last year and this year. And what Jones did we re-sign?
And AGAIN, we have a 1st round pick we can use on another position who could contribute last year and this year. And what Jones did we re-sign?
We didn’t re-sign Jones. So he’s gone either way requiring the Autry FA signing. We sign Conklin to his big deal, probably can’t sign autry and still have a hole on the DL. We can only speculate on whoever would have been drafted instead of Wilson and yes, I wanted Grossmatos even despite letting Conklin walk.
Conklin signed 3/ $42 mil. So even at $7 mil still on the books, that’s half what Conklin would cost and for what gain? We already had a 2K back and a well protected QB without him.
Beasley and Clowney being major busts doesn’t make letting conklin go a bad move at all. Even Wilson being the bust that he was doesn’t make letting Conklin go a bad move.
Overall, I think the bad moves were the selections AFTER letting Conklin walk, not letting Conklin walk.
IMO their are certain positions that are worth paying top dollar for and are worth drafting in the first rnd and right tackle isn’t one of them.
Conklin is the 2nd highest paid RT in the league at 14 mil. Only 4 RTs make over 10mil a year....most are in the 7.5 mil category.
I will gladly pay less for a RT to have the cap space to improve my pass rush.
Conklin is the 2nd highest paid RT in the league at 14 mil. Only 4 RTs make over 10mil a year....most are in the 7.5 mil category.
I will gladly pay less for a RT to have the cap space to improve my pass rush.
I think the thing with the Conklin debate is we traded down from 1 and then traded up again to draft him. Then we let him walk after his rookie deal...if you're going to trade up to take a RT then you would think he's the longterm answer at RT
We should have stayed at 15 and took Taylor Decker.
We should have stayed at 15 and took Taylor Decker.
What exactly does long term mean to you? 4 yrs is a pretty long time in the NFL..so when JRob moved up in the draft he was moving up in order to get a guy who could start immediately and give him 4-5 yrs of solid RT play. In my mind JRob made a long term move.
Drafting someone is not a longterm move if he's not here longer than his rookie deal...thats a draft pick
Did Henry sign a long term deal with us when he signed his most recent contract?
Since we drafted Henry then signed him to an extension, I would say he was a longterm move
Anyone not remember conklin tore an acl then came back and was sub par alot of the season. You take a gamble with a guy that size with a serious injury like that and hope his body can hold up.
Before you say anything yes Taylor is coming back this year but we already got him tied down, and solid LTs are like hens teeth. So no let's not cut him.
Before you say anything yes Taylor is coming back this year but we already got him tied down, and solid LTs are like hens teeth. So no let's not cut him.
That is true but not quite all the truth.. we traded for a bunch of capital, took some of that capital and used it on Conklin, still leaving us with more. It isnt like we gave up picks that were crucial to trade up to get him.
So in a way you could say we traded the number 1 overall pick for Conklin and a handful of more picks.
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